Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Santiago M. Mola (coldwind)

2007-06-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Denis Dupeyron wrote: > at obscure pubs New developer is always a good reason to have another beer. Welcome aboard! Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to handle sensitive files when generating binary packages

2007-06-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > what are the use cases for binary packages? Apart from those already mentioned by Chris, I use FEATURES=buildpkg to be able to recover from a catastrophic experiment with a package's content, for being able to quickly reinstall it. Although it's lame, it's pretty easy to r

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Kundrát
Abhay Kedia wrote: > I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am not > being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kind enough to > enumerate the issues discussed in this thread that warrant complete removal > of Skype (rather than masking it) from th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: phasing out app-accessibility/festival

2007-06-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
William Hubbs wrote: > kismet Popular wireless analyzer. It has some functions for working with festival, although I haven't tried them yet. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

2007-06-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Kent Fredric wrote: > possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be > confused with net-im/gossip ) Please, please, make it gentoo-circuits [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_My_Circuits Yours faithfully, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.

Re: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway?

2007-06-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Tobias Klausmann wrote: > But seeing how things have been deteriorating in the last few > months, I begin to doubt that that's a good idea. > > I'm not pulling the "leave in a huff" card. Gentoo can survive > without me just fine. But I think it might be illustrative that > I, as a user seek alte

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: ion license

2007-05-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Matti Bickel wrote: > It's main additions are a "timely response clause", which > requires us to get the same keywords for a newly released version as the > previous had within 28 days. Another point is the "no patches" clause, > which prohibits distributions from carrying a "significantly modified

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: >> was this reply really necessary ? you made a mistake and Jan didnt catch it >> until after you committed it. perhaps you meant to say "thank you, ive >> fixed >> the issues you pointed out to me". >> -mike > > Plaah cultural issues. I just hope my comment makes people r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: > Maybe next time comment on the original patch to avoid pointless work. Well, first lines weren't changing any dates, so I've skipped the rest of the original mail. It was a pure coincidence that I spot them now. Anyway, thanks for fixing and removing retired people, -jkt --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing retired developers from project pages

2007-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: > -2006-05-02 > +$DATE: $ Please revert all date changes you've made for following reasons: a) "$DATE: $" isn't expanded by CVS b) Even if it was expanded, I won't be expanded to the -mm-dd format c) Even if it was in -mm-dd format, it won't be fully usable by our XSLT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs

2007-04-27 Thread Jan Kundrát
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Have you got a reference for it? That's how it is in XHTML, so I thought it's common practice in XML as well. That probably isn't true, so sorry for noise. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Planning for automatic assignment of bugs

2007-04-27 Thread Jan Kundrát
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > In terms of implementing this in the DTD, I'm going to specify that > 'contact=1' (or whatever name we settle on) is the default, so that we > don't break validation of any existing metadata: > >contact (0|1) 1 -- should this maintainer be used by >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Resignation

2007-04-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167285#c11 Show me name calling and/or insulting behavior. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160328 Show me name calling and/or insulting behavior. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96893#c12 Back when we were ask

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 1 (Was: Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April)

2007-04-14 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jakub Moc wrote: > Alec Warner napsal(a): >> Any arch team that wants tests by default on their arch can just add >> test to FEATURES in their arch profiles; magically the users running >> that arch will get the tests run (with USE=test set) by default. Users >> who don't want tests can always tur

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > 2) Why must some Gentoo devs like yourself and Mr. Gianelloni reply > with expletives to things you disagree with? It's no wonder you need > proctors; unwarranted escalation and invective seems to come so > naturally here. Oh come on. Your mail wasn't based on actual facts,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > What "news" exactly? That catalyst still supports a code branch it's > had for some time now? *grin* There's nothing "new" to report. I've been around for two years and have never heard anything about stage4. If it's been discussed on this list before that time, I apol

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time > working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted because someone > couldn't take 3 seconds to check their facts before making a post. The > stage4 concept is alive and kicking. It is one of the targets

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals

2007-04-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > - extend the xml The difficulty is similar to creating Yet Another format for your page. > - have everyone edit their own project pages It doesn't matter if you edit file A or file B, IMHO. > - create some parser that has to troll all of the project pages to > create a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Seemant Kulleen wrote: > The effects are far reaching and shared by everyone. If an official > package manager is outside of Gentoo's control, and the maintainer(s) of > that piece of software decide to do anything malicious (examples: inject > some dodgy code, remove documentation, take out acces

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Steve Long wrote: > Oh no of course not. Paludis is in fact being led in the most appropriate > political fashion, rather than the best technical approach for the job. Dear Steve, this is a formal request from an ordinary Gentoo developer who has already emailed you privately several times asking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Josh Saddler wrote: > Technical point here -- the devmanual has never been in GuideXML; it was > converted from RST into docbook. Was it? IIRC it was a custom GuideXML-like format, but certainly not a Docbook. A quick glance at the Docbook DTD [1] and the devmanual itself [2] seems to confirm that

Re: [gentoo-dev] more up to date minimal install cd

2007-03-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Thibaut Fernagut wrote: > It sure makes sense ! > You mean a web page with options per choise pointing to a section when > that choise is made (consolidate existing install installs) > > > example : > > Select the arch do you want to install gentoo on : > [X]x86 []arm []x86_64 > > --> go to u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Rémi Cardona wrote: - svn uses a lot of disk space Could you please elaborate? Are you referring to the checkout size (which is about twice the actual size because SVN stores two copies of a file in the checkout to be able to perform diffs against latest revision without contacting the serve

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Miroslav Šulc (fo rdfrog)

2007-01-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: He hails from Beroun, Czech Republic. He owns his own IT company. On the personal side he is married and has a little daughter. He likes soccer, taking trips on bikes and hiking. Nice to see yet another guy from Czechoslovakia :). We should really meet and go out for a beer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: > Or... what do you mean by that: > "the sudo file has the ability to specify editor's, so why not tell > people to change their sudo config file ?" > > English is not my native language thus may be I just misunderstood your > idea here. Sorry. ...that the people should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > This also falls under Infra. Have you tried asking them, instead? > Perhaps filing a bug like all other infra requests? Please see https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154120 . Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: Op

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42?

2006-10-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Brian Harring wrote: > cat/pkg[use1_on,-use2_off,-use3_on] You mean "use3_on", without the minus sign, right? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-10-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
Mike Frysinger wrote: > i could update vpenis.sh so that this statement is incorrect ... Please go for it :) -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer - Vlastimil Babka

2006-09-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > So, make sure you all welcome him onboard, and as he's Czech, I figure > the beer is on him.. Sure. Nice to know about another drinking aid. Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council polls now open

2006-08-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ferris McCormick wrote: > (By the way, if the ballots from council2005 are still around, and if > someone can make them anonymous (convert names to something like C1, C2, > etc.), I can take them and show what results STV would give, if you'd > like a controlled test.) Please see the following -co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Enrico Weigelt wrote: >> Opening an ebuild and reading it must be hard. > > Not what I asked. I'm talking about what an user can expect to get. > You don't expect every user to look trough each ebuilt, seriously ? > > And, in case of Xorg, the individual needs may very deeply. > Some applications

Re: AW: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed

2006-07-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Noack, Sebastian wrote: > A patch for your signature to increase your life expectancy. ;) > > @@ -1 +1 @@ > -cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth > +cd /local/pub && more beer | sed -e "s/beer/water/g" > /dev/mouth BTTTDW (Been There, Tried That, Didn't Work :) ) Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed

2006-07-31 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > Gentoo is a team effort. There's no place in Gentoo for developers who > can't function within a team environment where members must be capable > of rational deliberation and, from time to time, compromise. OTOH this "team collaboration" doesn't mean that we have to agree w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-30 Thread Jan Kundrát
Thierry Carrez wrote: > We're nearing the end of the nomination period. > (Those developers should accept their nomination before July 31, 23:59 > UTC, else they won't participate in the election) I'd like to nominate Andrej Kacian (ticho). He's quite a silent dev (speaking about -dev and -core fl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-19 Thread Jan Kundrát
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > What about messages output by ebuilds? Are they also going to be > translated? In that case, how? There's no way to provide localized output of einfo/... calls from ebuild that I'm aware of. Suggestions are welcome :) Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Jan Kundrát
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 00:26 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: >> Alec Warner wrote: >>> So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group >>> packages and maintaining developers? > > How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) "develop

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy wrote: > Keep only English in metadata.xml. Using tools such as intltool or > xml2po to extract strings and let i18n translate/maintain .po files > themselves. Generated .mo files will be included in metadata directory > when rsycing. Another portage hack to use .mo files in me

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: > On Сбт, 2006-06-10 at 15:11 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: >> a) Translation of metadata.xml stuff in our tree (Is there any method to >> keep them up-to-date when the English text changes? Something like >> "revision" attribute that gets bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Marius Mauch wrote: > and my point is that users often don't even realize that > their post contains non-english text Make Portage add a line with "Some of the previous errors were reported in non-English language. If you want to get support from official channel, please run `LC_ALL=C command`."

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] i18n project

2006-06-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
So, let's rephrase it a bit. The following items represent my view about the i18n team's responsibilities: a) Translation of metadata.xml stuff in our tree (Is there any method to keep them up-to-date when the English text changes? Something like "revision" attribute that gets bumped when the Engl

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA subproject, TreeCleaners

2006-06-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alec Warner wrote: > The maintainer tag must contain an active (non-retired) developer > or team. Minor wording issue - what about "...developer or a properly functional team"? Just in case all members of the team die... Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc De

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 encoding and file format of manuals

2006-06-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Paul de Vrieze wrote: > Would it be possible to do automatic detection and unicode conversion in the > portage install stage? I think that would probably be the best option. At a > later stage a simple detection and warning might be sufficient. Tricky. You can parse a file and check if it's vali

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 encoding and file format of manuals

2006-06-01 Thread Jan Kundrát
Wiktor Wandachowicz wrote: > Summing up: > * UTF-8 manuals: good or bad? The Only Way To Go (tm), IMHO. Let's let the legacy encodings die in piece. > Any constructive comments are more than welcome! The very same problem exists with man-pages-cs (which are outdated as a bonus). Blésmrt, -jkt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-25 Thread Jan Kundrát
Mark Loeser wrote: > At long last the devmanual is official. You can find it at > http://devmanual.gentoo.org. I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping > me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in > the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

2006-05-24 Thread Jan Kundrát
José Costa wrote: > The Gentoo Council/Gentoo Infra only needs to release one API for all > package managers, with all the procedures, how to do stuff standards, > quality assurance stuff, blabla... I don't see any reason why the Infrastructure Team should be affiliated with the decision :). Bles

Re: [gentoo-dev] Signing everything, for fun and for profit

2006-05-20 Thread Jan Kundrát
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Additionally, if the developer uses the singular primary key for a lot of > stuff, it is more vulnerable to attack. > > > Instead, the developer should create a subkey that is used for signing Gentoo > work only. They should not sign anything else with this, including th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Jan Kundrát
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 21:35, Luis Francisco Araujo wrote: > >>Sorry if i am confusing things here, but isn't this just _yet_ another >>profile that >>the user can choose to use? > > A profile in the tree has to be supported by someone. > It's also more likely t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Although I suppose this means we all agree ;) s/GLEP 42/boring -dev threads which are completely OT/ :-P Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GuideXML editor, tidyGuide and Google SoC

2006-05-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > OOo etc could make editing more productive for those not familiar > with XML odds - just imagine why translation of Gentoo doc is > so slow and weak? Because you basically have to do everything yourself. Yup, you get some contributions from your users, but those are of v

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-05-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Molle Bestefich wrote: > I was trying to say that a QA tool in form of a SVN pre-commit hook > seems like a perfect fit. The entire infrastructure to run an > external application to check a commit before carrying it out, > approve the commit, send appropriate error messages back to the SCM > clie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Philip Webb wrote: > My solution is a line in .bashrc : > 'alias emergeu='ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge' , Don't do that. Try to do a search on "why is ACCEPT_KEYWORDS emerge bad". > which allows me to emerge a testing version on a specific occasion. > The package.keywords alternative is sil

Re: [gentoo-dev] staffing needs expirations?

2006-05-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Grant Goodyear wrote: > PS. Does anybody know if we do still need people to help w/ LDAP? Depends if you consider "rewriting a LDAP howto" as a "help with LDAP" [1] :). Actually as I'm doing LDAP at work ATM, I might look at it later, but if anyone want to contribute, they're always more than wel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Having fun with compression

2006-05-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ryan Phillips wrote: > did you benchmark CPU load? Often bzip2 takes 3x as long to > uncompress a package than bzip. Often, the space savings doesn't > justify the cost of how long it takes for the cpu to decompress the > archive. How long does it take in time units defined as "the time required

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ryan Phillips wrote: > Stable and unstable keywords are a hack on top of a version control > system. We wouldn't have them if gentoo used an SCM that supports true > branches. There would be no need. Umm, I'm not an ebuild dev, but how would users mix stable and unstable packages in such a case?

Re: [OT] [gentoo-dev] Version bumps, keywords and you

2006-04-27 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jason Wever wrote: > In the really off chance that you've just had a run-in with a Vorgon > poetry session Isn't it a *Vogon* poetry? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-11 Thread Jan Kundrát
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote: > >>In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When >>drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he >>kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to >>use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let portage symlink latest version of installed docs

2006-04-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Graham Murray wrote: > What would be even nicer would be if it could create and maintain an > html index, for example at /usr/share/doc/index.html, to all package > html documentation in a similar way to that which gnu info maintains > the top level index to all info documentation on the system. Y

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:50:18AM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > >>I feel really confused. Have you read the logs of the recent affair? >>Devrel *hadn't* requested anything, infra made an action on their own >>and *didn't* revert it even

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jon Portnoy wrote: >>>Well, quite frankly devrel has never fallen down on the job quite so >>>often & so hard before handling this particular incident. I don't think >>>it's so unreasonable to have backup plans for preserving Gentoo when >>>devrel cannot respond in a timely manner >> >>Come on,

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
Michael Cummings wrote: > Relax, spb, it's all good :) spb != geoman :) -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
lnxg33k wrote: > "The Gentoo community and its members treat one another with respect." > News to me. I think the users do a good job helping each other. > Developer and user relations lack some imo. Developer and Developer > relations are worse. Well, the intention is that we all are people and s

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ned Ludd wrote: >>It's infras job to enforce the permissions as given by devrel. If devrel >>says, >>somebody is allowed to commit in the main tree, nobody but devrel should be >>allowed to revoke this. The only exceptions are those case already stated >>above. > > > I think your understandin

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 01:40:59AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: > >>This is how it has been handled so far except in the ciaranm incident. This >>is >>how I personally think this should be handled in future. >> > > > Well, quite frankly devrel has never fallen down on the j

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alexandre Buisse wrote: > Sorry but I am. Opps, sorry, got confused by your name :), I thought you were someone else... it's too late here, apparently. > What I saw was a document saying "Be nice to each other". And in the end > "If you aren't nice, you will be punished". Big deal. Yup, that's r

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alexandre Buisse wrote: > On Tue, Apr 4, 2006 at 00:37:12 +0200, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > >>On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:38:48 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >>| i dont see how anyone can be against this (unless you're a >>| terrorist!) >> >>I for one welcome our new infra overlord

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Jan Kundrát wrote: [...] My mail server apparently sucks, sorry. -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Sunday 02 April 2006 22:29, Simon Stelling wrote: > >>Come on. Is this a 'policy doesn't say I have to be sane' war? It's >>absolutely reasonable to p.mask a package that is pending for removal. That >>way you give the users a timeframe which they can search for alterna

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alexander Gretencord wrote: > And considering that upstream is dead for about a year I think most > people will not try to update that package every 2 days or something like > that. Most people upgrade the whole system at once - those would see a warning about masked package. Cheers, -jkt -- c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Change layout of distfiles

2006-03-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Alin Nastac wrote: > this has been discussed before. > summary: tarballs could be used by more than one package. this way > you'll manage to increase the disk space demands for our mirrors. This one is about sorting by first letter of filename. It won't solve multiple different files with same fil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance, but where is INSTALL_MASK implemented? ebuild.sh -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > Because the stage1 method bootstraps gcc/glibc and performs the minimum > steps needed to complete the subsequent emerge -e system. The dependencies > on having the old gcc still available are not there because the packages > have not been built yet. You can purge the old gcc immed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > To further educate you, there was a bug shortly after the > release of 3.4.4 into stable that did, in fact, automatically switch you > over to the new gcc. It was in the toolchain eclass. Great, there was a bug. Yeah, there was. Please notice the word "was". It means that it has be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: >>>A bug, again, that the stage1 installation method was immune to, >> >>How come? (I'm not familiar with toolchain.eclass at all.) > > > Because the first pass of the bootstrap, that prepares a working gcc/glibc, > uses the bootstrap USE flag and disables all but a few other basic U

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > A bug, again, that the stage1 installation method was immune to, How come? (I'm not familiar with toolchain.eclass at all.) > which is > the topic at hand. Not who reported what when. I found that bug when it > hit me and noticed that it had been reported. I thanked the Gods tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114341 Have you noticed that I'm the reporter of this bug? Just FYI, bug *wasn't* in the guide but in the underlying eclass/gcc-config causing automatic switch to newly installed GCC during pkg_postinst. Just by a coincidence the eclass was upd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-25 Thread Jan Kundrát
MIkey wrote: > I don't know about Sven, but the reasons I prefer the "unsupported" > installation method is all outlined here: > > http://badpenguins.com/gentoo-build-test/ You're beating the dead horse here. That site contains FUD, period. "What is most interesting to me about this discussion i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: bootstrapping since gcc 3.4 is stable

2006-01-25 Thread Jan Kundrát
Sven Köhler wrote: > That's not a problem for me. So excuse me that i wanted > gentoo-installation to be more simple. Seems like a bit ranting to me. Why do you use unsupported installation method if you want it simple? Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc De

Re: [gentoo-dev] webapp.eclass documentation

2006-01-23 Thread Jan Kundrát
Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote: > 1. I can see this in many places of the Gentoo docs, so it is not specific > to this particular doc, but still: the CSS for span.code would better be > changed to use another color than the links. I very often catch myself > trying to click on it (e.g. I expected "man 5 we

Re: [gentoo-dev] a plea for testing help

2006-01-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Greg KH wrote: > And if someone wants to forward this over to -user, feel free. Do you want to have this kernel documented in our Kernel guide [1]? [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-kernel.xml#doc_chap3 Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-10 Thread Jan Kundrát
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Sven Vermeulen wrote: > | We have already received many bugs for documentation in /proj/* which is > | not GDPs. I had no issue with this as I hoped this would be a transient > | state where the documentation is eventually handed over to the GDP so > that > | both the proje

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-09 Thread Jan Kundrát
Grant Goodyear wrote: > Again, I like devspace for these things. Of course, particularly useful > docs would likely be adopted by the GDP (with the permission of the > author, of course). Thinking about legal issues (and about tracking all contributors among developers) - please use CC-BY-SA [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-08 Thread Jan Kundrát
Brian Harring wrote: > It's not an issue. Okay, if it will just somehow show up when using the --ask option, I'll be happy :). Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
Duncan wrote: > Because that code will be implemented in portage, and the portage dev > likely to implement it said it was a superfluous reference. =8^) > > Still, I'd prefer it referenced just for definition's sake, but when the > portage dev says it isn't a superfluous reference, and that parti

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Duncan wrote: > My thinking too, until I saw the portage dev (JStubbs?) mention it wasn't > needed. > > I believe the thinking is that emerge --ask is basically emerge --pretend > with an opportunity to continue stuck on the end, thus eliminating running > the same command only without the --prete

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > * Removed --ask message, apparently it's superfluous. Why? I haven't found any conclusion about that in the last thread. It doesn't make sense to show the message in both `emerge -p foo` and `emerge foo`, but not in `emerge -a foo`, IMHO. WKR, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && m

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: regular project updates

2006-01-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Flameeyes, blubb, dostrow - what about publishing your recent blog entries as the official news from your projects? WKR, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: regular project updates

2006-01-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
Patrick Lauer wrote: > So - as GWN monkey - I'm offering my services as aggregator for project > updates. I'd rather see the project managers/bosses/dedicated_members doing that themselves. Fine example might be GDP updates which work quite well, IMHO. > Maybe someone from the doc project wants t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: >>aint it worth it to mention "-*" in the handbook ? If you make a decision, http://bugs.gentoo.org/ please. > And then mentioning stuff like pam that almost everyone wants? There are > also things that should be on by default. If it should be on by default, let's add it to t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Dale wrote: > I'm not a dev but I can see both sides. I learned why some things are > being pulled in that I couldn't figure out. I use KDE but do not want > Gnome and it appears that I have some gnome stuff installed and didn't > know it, because of the USE line. I guess they are in there becau

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-24 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter wrote: > Also, I find it absolutely fascinating that the only people against this > concept are devs, and the only people for it are users. Please see Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (for those using MUAs that suck, it's "Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:16:53 -0600", "From: Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [gentoo-dev] http://people.gentoo.org/

2005-12-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Tuesday 06 of December 2005 23:28 Doug Goldstein wrote: > Yeah so... I don't really know what your last name means... Only thing > close that I see is "female repoductive organ" but of the 4 letter > variation. I dunno... Lemme know... maybe even off list.. :-D Bingo, I see you already know all

Re: [gentoo-dev] http://people.gentoo.org/

2005-12-06 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Tuesday 06 of December 2005 19:54 Michael Cummings wrote: [...] > but then no one would be able to go to my space because it would get > flagged as porn :/ If you knew Czech, you would know how could mine surname be interpreted ;-) Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more beer > /dev/mouth pg

Re: [gentoo-dev] gcc-3.4 migration guide

2005-12-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Saturday 03 of December 2005 21:26 Matthias Langer wrote: > 1.) If you remove gcc-3.3* before emerge -e system you will be left > behind with a broken python and therefore emerge. Thus i think there > should be a big red box telling users about this. Our guide says that you have to either run `

Re: [gentoo-dev] GCC-3.4 will be marked stable in ~1 hour on x86

2005-12-03 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Friday 02 of December 2005 22:55 Mark Loeser wrote: > GCC 3.4 has finally been marked stable on x86. No one will have their > compiler automatically switched to gcc-3.4 after it is installed, so you Unfortunately, this is not true, at least on my non-eselect-powered x86 system (which is defaul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 28 of November 2005 21:01 Curtis Napier wrote: > I agree with this. I often don't feel like wading through 5 pages of bad > results on google to find an obscure packages homepage. I look in the > ebuild for this information all the time. A seperate tag like , as > someone mentioned earlie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainer's guides?

2005-11-28 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 28 of November 2005 11:55 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > I like this idea, as it would also allow to specify user documentation that > can be found on GDP, allowing users to find out the link to alsa guide > directly from an alsa-* package's metadata. What about setting the HOMEPAGE

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-21 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 21 of November 2005 16:08 Lares Moreau wrote: > I don't know if the contents are supposed to be the 'live' website data, > but, after scrolling down to the nice link tables at the bottom, > clicking on GLEPs, the info is outdated. Only up to GLEP 38. > > Don't know if that is what you are

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 07 of November 2005 21:12 Philip Webb wrote: > 051107 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I'm serious -- Gentoo should try to follow international standards -- , > but have a (smile) to recognise it's a small point. See the first line of the quotation :-P Cheers, -jkt -- cd /local/pub && more be

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-07 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Monday 07 of November 2005 21:10 Grobian wrote: > Our GLSAs are sent out exactly in the same way, but there is not a word > on them in the GLEP, neither does anyone seem to care about them, while > they seem to me at least ***VERY*** important, that is, much more > important than a message about

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two

2005-11-05 Thread Jan Kundrát
On Saturday 05 of November 2005 12:34 Lisa Seelye wrote: > The first is the method of delivery: Through 'emerge sync', which > requires that users run this on a regular basis to receive relevant > news. Further, this process can take a very long time and transfers a > relatively large amount of d

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