t;${D}/usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache"
> }
>
> +gnome2_pkg_preinst() {
> +}
> +
Shouldn't this function be
gnome2_pkg_preinst() {
:
}
? Because bash chokes on empty functions..
[snip]
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nts to
install. Gentoo does, and they're called USE flags.
> Sounds quite religions to me. I don't like religions interfering with
> technical designs.
See above.
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>
> > > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?!
> >
> > Yes, because their technical design is different from Ge
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
> > I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -do
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> > I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since
> > I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split
> > since the d
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > Manuals, yes, documentation, not necessarily. Documentation is often
> > *built* from the source code, or it's source is included with
You grabbed one line in his entire post and used it to divert the
conversation's direction from constructive to time-wasting-argument.
Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with what Brian has said. There are
advantages (they've have already been stated earlier), and they far
outweig
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 07:38:12 +0530
> "Nirbheek Chauhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1) You say the benefits haven't been pointed out, while several posts
>> have already do
e discussing
> things in this thread without doing some basic research first?
It's quite simple, and you already knew all of the above, so why are
you wasting everyone's time and energy discussing these things in this
thread?
Quite refreshing, seeing you type out your points in a clear manner
for clearer rebuttal. I am going to assume that the matter is settled
now.
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On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:28:27 +0530
> "Nirbheek Chauhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Fact: It can't be fixed easily and/or in a reasonable time-frame. Else
>> someone w
n lists do not involve council
>> members themselves (though they clearly follow the discussions).
>
> The current council has raised "never actually deciding anything" to an
> art form.
You have raised "flame and don't actually contribute anything useful"
to an ar
n Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Alex Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/8 Nirbheek Chauhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> You have raised "flame and don't actually contribute anything useful"
>> to an art form.
>
> Whilst I'd agree Ciaran flam
.org/174380 -- a
tracker for EAPI feature requests.
I personally like https://bugs.gentoo.org/197859 the most -- split out
src_configure from src_compile which will allow sane resuming of
compiles :)
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et it out 6 months later[1] ;p
1. Sorry, that's how open source usually works :)
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mining
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
The following should effectively end this string of Wikipedia references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_attacks
Thank you, and have a nice day|night.
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S not allowing inline comments is based on "some [...]
[old] Portage versions" and does not specify current Portage
behaviour. IMO, it should be fixed to reflect majority (and
specifically portage) behaviour.
Interesting to note, however, that Paludis doesn't accept inline
comments,
lises just how ridiculous this is.
PS: An example of something in PMS that is different from Portage:
inline comments are disallowed. The only reason I can think for doing
this is to not make Paludis change it's behaviour.
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uot;The intersection of the capabilities of Portage and
Paludis". It should follow the current portage's behaviour as closely
as possible.
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 13 June 2008 11:10:46 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> Interesting to note, however, that Paludis doesn't accept inline
>> comments, and this behaviour predates PMS.
>
> There's a
hired by someone to constantly plant seeds of
disharmony and chaos within Gentoo.
However, one thing is for certain. There is no doubt that his tactics
waste everyone's time and energy.
~Nirbheek Chauhan who is quite depressed to see all this.
0. http://tinyurl.com/4plr7c
tacks[1][2][3][4][...].
1.
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_23e836c773616f0e816f3c421900e1f1.xml
2.
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_3bb49516dc83b9f4d8f80a4e67fa7a84.xml
3,4,... Many many more. I don't intend to waste time searching for them.
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of
>> time and energy since people will *always* reply to them.
>
>
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:19:32 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
>> > On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> >> Th
July 2007 -- a new set is long overdue. Hooray for
robbat2!~ :)
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip encouraging text]
> I'd like to spin a new release later this afternoon since I've got a
> dozen pending submissions, so bring it on folks.
/me pokes gently
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gento
live-sources if we
> want to use a longer name.
How about we just skip the reversed-boolean-usage/it's-a-long-name
confusion/argument and just call it RESTRICT=tarballs ?
I know not all distfiles are tarballs, but it gets the message across
far better than "constant-sources" IMO :o)
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the admins of gentoo-soc in
a year where projects are coming along far better than the previous
years.
There's a reason why Donnie pushed for having all Council agendas
publicly discussed on the gentoo-dev ML before they are given a formal
"stamp of approval" so that the ones deciding what gets in are the
ones who are actually going to use it.
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re (after gentoo's Infra ;) for devs and
non-devs alike. His hardware currently hosts a number of things such
as pkgcore.org, dev.gentooexperimental.org (used for various
gentoo-related experiments), and soc.gentooexperimental.org
(gentoo-soc project management).
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emake DESTDIR="${D}" install || die "emake install failed"
if [ -n "${DOCS}" ]; then
dodoc ${DOCS} || die "dodoc failed"
else
# No die here because we don't know if any of these exist
dodoc AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS README
fi
}
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ot;emake install failed"
>fi
>if [ -n "${DOCS}" ]; then
>dodoc ${DOCS} || die "dodoc failed"
>else
># No die here because we don't know if any of these exist
>dodoc AUTHORS ChangeLog NEWS README
>fi
> }
This seems alright fine to me
Cheers,
~Nirbheek Chauhan
1 for those ebuilds and turn the flag on by default?
Same for the panel stuff for which +eds is good for integration? I
think EAPI=1 +use should be used to de-pollute the desktop etc
profiles :)
IIRC, there are enough stable versions of portage with EAPI=1 support.
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he rules for determination were pretty straightforward:
commands that die:
everything that is implemented as a function (ebuild.sh, eclasses, etc)
commands that don't die:
every external application (do*, cp, etc)
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
[snip]
>> commands that die:
>> everything that is implemented as a function (ebuild.sh, eclasses, etc)
[snip]
>
> Technically the rule is that eclasses shouldn't die. At least that
have "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" in
> /etc/portage/package.keywords/misc. Is this normal?
That's because gentoo-sources isn't a part of the "system" set.
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ioning that Python 3K uses UTF-8 as the default
encoding for it's files rather than ASCII as Python 2.X did. Why
should *we* go backwards? :p
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Marius Mauch wrote:
> And none of that is relevant to Zacs original question, which is
> covered by the following section of the GLEP:
Oops, sorry, misread the question :)
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PI=2 doc[1]
> or is there something else?
A short-cut for this would be similar in scope to
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238887
/me thinks cat-egory/pkg[use1|use2] would be a nice way :)
1.
http://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/portage.html#package-ebuild-eapi-2-draft
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:34:18 +0530
> "Nirbheek Chauhan" wrote:
>> How about this:
>
> It's utterly useless. Unlike the existing shortcut forms, what you're
> after isn't widely enough used t
/pkg[-bar] )
cat/pkg[foo=]
pkg[!foo=bar] foo? ( cat/pkg[-bar] ) !foo? ( cat/pkg[bar] )
cat/pkg[!foo=]
IMO, this is simple enough to understand, and use :)
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should
escape them to %20
Actually, I'm surprised that this ebuild made it through repoman since
_atleast_ the IUSE check is an error
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lder inside a folder?
>> einfo "testing"
>> if [ "`./memdump -s 344 | wc -c`" = "344" ];
>> then
>> einfo "passed test"
>> else
>> die "failed test"
>> fi
Here, why not use
einfo "testing"
[ "`./memdump -s 344 | wc -c`" = "344" ] || die "failed test"
einfo "passed test"
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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:28 PM, David Leverton
wrote:
> On Sunday 04 January 2009 16:48:38 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> On the contrary, the reverse of what you say is true. A simple grep of
>> the tree showed that:
>
> In how many of those ebuilds would the long form be
>
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan
wrote:
>
> use cairo && built_with_use category/cairo X
> use avahi && built_with_use net-dns/avahi gtk
Oops, sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying; I agree; most of
the cases are of the type
use1? ( cat/pkg1[us
ete, there will be no obstacles left in this
thing's implementation ;)
1. That's the portage tree, btw :p
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Federico Ferri wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> ${PORTDIR}/tags/games/puzzles/ksudoku -> ../../../kde-base/ksudoku
>> ${PORTDIR}/tags/games/puzzles/sudoku/ksudoku ->
> ../../..
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan
wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Federico Ferri wrote:
>> tags <-> packages is a many-to-many relation.
>
> Aren't tags _made_ to be many-to-many?
ie, symlinking can allow that kind of relationship
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die on their own' table, anyway?
ls /usr/lib/portage/bin/ -- that'll give you a list of functions which
don't die on their own
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as well. This alongwith our
plans for moving to GIT, and the tagging need, and various others
means this is a good time for a "revolution" :)
As they say, "Keep one to throw away, you're going to anyway".
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sr/bin/diffstat
>
Isn't this better?
type diffstat &>/dev/null && {EBZR_DIFF_CMD} | diffstat
It's independent of where diffstat is (in PATH or otherwise)
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to apply on directories as well.
> Besides, what do we win by this unnecessary copying?
>
What copying?
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iffstat? ;p
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lying with (possibly false) assumptions. Although I agree that
context *is* important for us mere mortals (mike, *hint hint* ;)
This was your daily dose of chuckles, huggles, and fun,
Cheers,
~Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Josh Sled wrote:
> (Also, I note in passing the existing kde-base/pykde4 use.local.desc has
> a tyop of "Nemomuk".)
>
Oh, sweet irony :)
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nt of data to be learnt.
>
That's a documentation problem.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vot
be set in an ebuild as the first non-comment line, and
thereafter must not be set to a different value"
I'm asking because it would be simpler for users and devs to
understand, even if it is a subset.
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:17:36 +0530
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> Is the following a stricter subset of your wording? --
>>
>> "EAPI must be set in an ebuild as the first non-comment line, and
>> therea
t; Is is safe to assume that an unknown EAPI will provide a "die"
> function?
>
If we get all Ciaran-ey about that, then we can't even assume the
existence of a case statement in some future version of bash (which is
required by some EAPI)
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specification. Please please do not associate the two as it'll just
> prolong the acceptance of EAPI 3, and we all know we don't want that.
>
++ discussions about this are best left for other threads, and (all
the better) other times.
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special
consideration to the mirrors in GENTOO_MIRRORS, and look for the
renamed file there instead of the original ones.
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t;
So, what's the final decision on this/status of this? I don't see it
in-tree as a global USE flag yet.
PS: It should probably be globally use.masked till we can make it work
properly as well
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d on
> the left of the arrow, if \t{mirror://} is used), the filename to the
> right of the arrow shall be requested instead of the filename in the
> URI.
>
Right, thanks for clearing that up :)
/me heaves a sigh of relief
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the age of a
patch, the gnome herd especially *encourages* this behavior.
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works dandy.
Maybe this can be done inside the eclass if http_proxy is set? :)
proxy=${http_proxy#http://}
host=${proxy...@}
auth=${pro...@*}
if test "${auth}" != "${proxy}"; then
export HTTP_PROXY_USER=${auth%%:*}
export HTTP_PROXY_PASSWORD=${auth##*:}
fi
connect -H ${host} $1 $2
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Now that "dosed" is going to be banned, what would people think of
I wouldn't call it banned, rather "useless" since everyone directly
uses sed instead.
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ems it should be easy to implement this, and would also go
well with the --if-compressed flag to `unpack`
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#x27;s?
>
Incidentally, I was thinking the same thing.
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, weird behaviour that can't be used correctly.
>
I would like to say that I agree. It's special, weird, non-obvious,
and easily misunderstood behaviour. Let's chuck it.
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
>> 12) EAPI 3 supports .xz, .tar.xz
>
> easy so should be in
Easy, so can we also have .xpi unpack support?
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> What's with that -n thing? If you're going for less complicated, you
> might as well go the whole hog:
>
> java-pkg_func-exists() {
> declare -f ${1} >/dev/null
> }
>
I think this is wher
a movie player first, browser plugin second.
>> net-www/libflashsupport -> www-plugins/libflashsupport
>
> media-libs?
Not sure, it's a browser plugin first, media-lib second ;)
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u want things to prevent war, measure
yourself with the same yardstick as you expect others to be.
That will be all,
Thank you.
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library.
If we don't get all those bugs, it means people are running the latest
package and latest slot. So slot operators would be m00t in that case.
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So you're looking for ABI deps? @preserved-libs is the answer (C-sharp
support for that?). Suggested rebuilds upon upgrade? Separate issue,
separate solution (pkg_pretend maybe?)
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;ll say "bai bai python".
In any case, what is wrong with python_need_rebuild ?
Slot operators need changes to the ebuilds, so does python_need_rebuild.
Slot operators need an EAPI bump for the ebuild, python_need_rebuild doesn't.
So, isn't python_need_rebuild superior.. ?
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ersonally.
>
The boxen wish me to express their deepest gratitude for such personal care ;o
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(hopefully) raise the visibility somewhat.
>
> I'm all for enabling it in the dev profile by default.
>
There are some packages[1] for which installing with --enable-tests is
considered a "security risk" by upstream. What about packages such as
this?
1. Well, okay, atleast one I know of -- sys-apps/dbus
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ill* forget them! Add
them when you write the [$num]s ;)
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ho drown every thread!
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ch should be compiling as x86_64. I
believe the bug is real. Sorry for the confusion."
Oops? =p
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nst it. Such confusion makes for pretty strong
> negative conditioning.
>
Also, most people I know use CCing-frequency as a measure of how many
people are facing a particular bug, and what importance level to
assign to it. Votes only cause unnecessary noise and irritation --
worse than "me too!" comments.
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hink you know anything about me.
>
It's even more hilarious that you expect to "fix" Gentoo's problems by
bitching about them. And at the same time you put yourself in a
situation where people would expect you to gloat and smirk rather than
help.
In short, you were practically asking for it.
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to leave :)
>
> You lost the best laptop developer Gentoo had ever had..
>
> --
> Alexander Færøy
> http://dev.exherbo.org/~ahf/
>
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. We cannot AFFORD to look the other way
while the distro rots away.
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the gentoo community.
"useless talk".
This stuff does not need to be resolved, put to rest, approved,
disapproved, or whatever! It needs to be kicked out till we can get
*BASIC* stuff fixed.
You don't fuss about the type of faucets in the bathroom when the roof
is falling apart do you?
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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> The statistics are irrelevant.
>
> So why do you bring them up?
>
That's the question you should ask Duncan. Not me. I provided
statistics to highlight and provide dramatic effect. People who
I sincerely hope that was sarcasm.
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current system of "overlays" being restrictive is (IMO) beneficial
in the long-term because it forces people to move stuff to the main
tree instead of going the lazy way and putting inter-overlay
dependencies.
If the concept of "overlay" is taken as "feature overlays", then
d
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:50:45 +0530
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> Won't this just lead to dependency hell? With horrible dependencies
>> between different overlays?
>
> It's primarily a user feature. I
just a user issue, not one we want used anywhere where EAPI
> rules are in effect?
>
Indeed. Since the consensus is for using it as part of the UI, you
don't need to wait for EAPI=4, you (lxnay) can start writing patches
for portage (regardless of which operator is used) to recognize such
atoms on the command line.
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re's the ebuild for it?
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etelgeuse), and Luca Barbato (lu_zero) [all of
them are CCed]
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asbestos underwear in preparation of meta-flame-fest over this
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backend for packagekit (my gsoc project).
>
Most licenses aren't for usage, but for distribution -- surely you mean EULAs?
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Mounir Lamouri wrote:
> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> Most licenses aren't for usage, but for distribution -- surely you mean
>> EULAs?
>>
> License and EULA is the same for most users and it's exactly the same
> for ebuilds/
rmation cannot be included
in an XML file, purely to prevent the added overhead of having to
implement an XML parser inside every package manager.
metadata.xml contains information that is relevant to the user and to
developers, not to the package manager.
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orrible LICENSE
behaviour similar to this?
1. Remi, could you reply here and confirm for record purposes?
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" && {
grep -qe LICENSE "${ebuild}" && echo "Fine: ${ebuild}" || echo
"Plz2fix: ${ebuild}"; }; done > x-modular-packages-without-LICENSE
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ssions
like this, even more so since your reply is doubly-offtopic.
Please, do not waste everyone's time and bandwidth with thoughts that
do not belong on this list, and hence they do not care about.
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n 2009)
> # - gmpc plugins are no longer valid with 0.18.0
> # removed in 30 days
> # - ekg2 doesn't build with stable glibc wrt #247994
> # removed in 60 days
> media-plugins/gmpc-autoplaylist
> media-plugins/gmpc-serverstats
> <=net-im/ekg2-20061202
>
-dev-announce as well, please
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