Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 09:41 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: Right. So you agree with the intention, but not with the wording. This is exactly what I'm after. At least here in Europe, judges have to 'interprete' the law. They judge whether somebody is guilty or not based on the _intentions_

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-25 Thread Simon Stelling
James Potts wrote: I hate to put it to you this way, but if you give people an inch, they'll take a mile. Yes, political correctnes is unproductive. This is why decisions like the one made here need to be thought out better before being made. But once the decision is made, it should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Stelling wrote: Right. So you agree with the intention, but not with the wording. This is exactly what I'm after. At least here in Europe, judges have to 'interprete' the law. They judge whether somebody is guilty or not based on the _intentions_ that are behind the law. If the law has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:38 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Just to take this to a humorous extreme - | would you be content if sunrise ceased all operations? That's not a humourous

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Luca Barbato
Patrick Lauer wrote: Sorry to disappoint you :-) There are times for action and times for meditation, mix them correctly... Also remember that rarely we need to take quick action or the world will fall, think twice, do it once is a good way to avoid problems. sunrise has lots of potential BUT

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:07:52AM -0500, James Potts wrote: There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is currently unofficial. _Technically_ probably maybe, but please read what already has been said about it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Simon Stelling
James Potts wrote: There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is currently unofficial. Therefore, technically, if it is against the rules for projects and/or devs to use bugzilla for unofficial overlays, then

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Patrick Lauer wrote: was suspended in the first place. You're taking every comment that's been made against it as a personal attack and have been ignorant in *all* the technical details. Well ... if the technical details are it will cause the end of the world it's hard to evaluate them to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-24 Thread James Potts
On 6/24/06, Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:07:52AM -0500, James Potts wrote: There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is currently unofficial. _Technically_ probably

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 22:18 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 06:50 -0500, Joshua Nichols wrote: OK, so - java folks, please, take your java migration overlay bugs somewhere else from bugzilla. The gentoo-java developers have been working their tails off for over a year

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Patrick Lauer wrote: No, it just shows that two different standards are applied and jakub (as well as some others) do not wish for any discrimination. If sunrise gets blocked with the argument it's an overlay then, by logic, the Java overlay should get the same treatment, even if this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Stephen P. Becker wrote: Patrick Lauer wrote: No, it just shows that two different standards are applied and jakub (as well as some others) do not wish for any discrimination. If sunrise gets blocked with the argument it's an overlay then, by logic, the Java overlay should get the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Joshua Nichols
Patrick Lauer wrote: No, it just shows that two different standards are applied and jakub (as well as some others) do not wish for any discrimination. If sunrise gets blocked with the argument it's an overlay then, by logic, the Java overlay should get the same treatment, even if this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:50 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Frankly said, neither council nor devrel have any say in suspending projects hosted outside of gentoo, be it sunrise, gentopia, java-migration, java-experimental, BMG, or whatever else. You just can't dictate unpaid people what are they going

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 10:20:44AM -0400, Joshua Nichols wrote: Unless there's more discussions going on than I'm privy too... what I grokked out of the IRC log was that the argument was that it's an 'unofficial overlay'. No, this is about a project that was supposed to be suspended until its

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:50 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Perhaps it is a few developers trying to actually enforce the council's decision and make sure that the 100% unofficial project doesn't *look* official. Using InOverlay as if Sunrise is some sort of Gentoo official

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage by gentoo-java's doing migration work

2006-06-23 Thread James Potts
There is a problem here for the java folks...Technically, their migration-overlay is an overlay, and technically, that overlay is currently unofficial. Therefore, technically, if it is against the rules for projects and/or devs to use bugzilla for unofficial overlays, then it is against the