Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-07-21, o godz. 11:00:46 Zac Medico napisał(a): > On 07/21/2013 04:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > a) unionfs-fuse doesn't support replacing files from read-only branch, > > Maybe you've got some kind of configuration problem (did you forget to > enable the cow option?), because unionfs-

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Zac Medico
On 07/21/2013 04:57 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > a) unionfs-fuse doesn't support replacing files from read-only branch, Maybe you've got some kind of configuration problem (did you forget to enable the cow option?), because unionfs-fuse seems to work fine for me. -- Thanks, Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 21-07-2013 a las 16:46 +0200, justin escribió: > On 7/21/13 4:26 PM, Michael Weber wrote: > > On 07/21/2013 01:42 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> Would be possible to generate and provide squashed files at the > >> same time tarballs with portage tree snapshots are generated? > >> mksquashfs ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread justin
On 7/21/13 4:26 PM, Michael Weber wrote: > On 07/21/2013 01:42 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> Would be possible to generate and provide squashed files at the >> same time tarballs with portage tree snapshots are generated? >> mksquashfs can take a lot of resources depending on the machine, >> but provid

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/21/2013 01:42 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Would be possible to generate and provide squashed files at the > same time tarballs with portage tree snapshots are generated? > mksquashfs can take a lot of resources depending on the machine, > but prov

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-07-21, o godz. 14:06:12 Pacho Ramos napisał(a): > El dom, 21-07-2013 a las 13:57 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: > [...] > > 5. I have doubts about 'emerge -1vDtu @world' speed. It is very > > subjective feeling but I feel like reiserfs was actually faster in this > > regard. However, spa

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 21-07-2013 a las 13:57 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: [...] > 5. I have doubts about 'emerge -1vDtu @world' speed. It is very > subjective feeling but I feel like reiserfs was actually faster in this > regard. However, space savings would surely benefit our users. > I also feel it faster (

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-07-21, o godz. 13:42:17 Pacho Ramos napisał(a): > El sáb, 31-03-2012 a las 17:33 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: > > On 03/31/2012 04:25 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:42:50AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote > > >> On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > >>> About th

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2013-07-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 31-03-2012 a las 17:33 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: > On 03/31/2012 04:25 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:42:50AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote > >> On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > >>> About the wiki page, I can only document reiserfs+tail usage as it's the > >>>

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-04-01 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 31-03-2012 a las 19:25 -0400, Walter Dnes escribió: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:42:50AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote > > On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > About the wiki page, I can only document reiserfs+tail usage as it's the > > > one I use and I know, about other alternatives

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/31/2012 04:25 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:42:50AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote >> On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> About the wiki page, I can only document reiserfs+tail usage as it's the >>> one I use and I know, about other alternatives like using squashfs,

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:42:50AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote > On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > About the wiki page, I can only document reiserfs+tail usage as it's the > > one I use and I know, about other alternatives like using squashfs, loop > > mount... I cannot promise anything as

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/31/2012 06:34 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > About the wiki page, I can only document reiserfs+tail usage as it's the > one I use and I know, about other alternatives like using squashfs, loop > mount... I cannot promise anything as I simply don't know how to set > them. Squashfs is really simple

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 31-03-2012 a las 02:35 -0700, Brian Harring escribió: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 08:44:02AM +, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > Looks then that there are several alternatives for portage tree, then, > > > maybe the option would

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 31-03-2012 a las 08:44 +, Sven Vermeulen escribió: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Looks then that there are several alternatives for portage tree, then, > > maybe the option would be to add a note to Gentoo Handbook explaining > > the cons of having p

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 08:44:02AM +, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Looks then that there are several alternatives for portage tree, then, > > maybe the option would be to add a note to Gentoo Handbook explaining > > the cons of having

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-31 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:06:18AM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Looks then that there are several alternatives for portage tree, then, > maybe the option would be to add a note to Gentoo Handbook explaining > the cons of having portage tree on a standard partition and, then, put a > link to a wiki p

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 27-03-2012 a las 16:05 -0400, Alec Moskvin escribió: > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 14:34:03, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 20:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > > I am a bit surprised handbook still d

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 27-03-2012 a las 14:53 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 27/03/12 02:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev > > > >> The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to > >> de

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 27-03-2012 a las 14:34 -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev escribió: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 20:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > > > separate partition for

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
Will start to reply but will take some time as I don't have much this days :( El mar, 27-03-2012 a las 20:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen escribió: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > > separate partit

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Dale
Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:49:00 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to >> create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my >> first Gentoo systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of >> f

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:49:00 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > Hello > > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to > create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my > first Gentoo systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of > fragmentation, much slower "emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 11:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > > On 03/28/12 03:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: > >> On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/28/2012 03:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are historical, >> since everyone has an SSD now. >> > > Yeah

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > On 03/28/12 03:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: >> On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >>> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are hi

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Matt Turner
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > On 03/28/12 03:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: >> On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >>> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are hi

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Richard Yao
On 03/28/12 03:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are historical, >> since everyone has an SSD now. >> > > Yeah, r

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Kent Fredric
On 28 March 2012 20:16, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are historical, >> since everyone has an SSD now. >> > > Ye

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible >> reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are historical, >> since everyone has an SSD now.

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > But that's ok, because extensive studies have shown that the only possible > reasons for putting /usr/portage on its own partition are historical, > since everyone has an SSD now. > Yeah, right. Since I must be the only one out there th

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Kent Fredric
On 28 March 2012 08:57, Richard Yao wrote: > > Could we amend this to also include the benefits of ZFS and why you > would want to use XFS or reiserfs instead of ext{2,3,4} as your > filesystem in situations where ZFS is not yet appropriate (e.g. using it > on Gentoo stable)? We could also include

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Alec Moskvin
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 14:34:03, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 20:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > > > separate partition for /usr/p

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Yao
On 03/27/12 14:34, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to decide on > *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user had finished > installing the operating system, it's too late to inform him about the > advantages of a separate /usr/porta

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 02:29:34PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > Why not just the separate "quick install" guide like we have that lists > steps and the handbook if yu want more details? We came from that. It means we need to start managing "just the commands" for each architecture. After a while,

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/27/2012 03:13 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 27/03/12 03:04 PM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > >>> You know, we have "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem Example" in >>> Section 4, we could always adjust that to have a /usr/portage >>> partition in it

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:20:45AM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: > On 28 March 2012 08:15, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > >> Then again, Gentoo is about choice.  It just seems like we're > >> presenting users with more choices than makes sense for a newbie.  If > >> there is a choice between something that

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Kent Fredric
On 28 March 2012 08:15, Sven Vermeulen wrote: >> Then again, Gentoo is about choice.  It just seems like we're >> presenting users with more choices than makes sense for a newbie.  If >> there is a choice between something that 99.99% of users will want, >> and some ancient piece of cruft that sti

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Kent Fredric
On 28 March 2012 07:53, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > You know, we have "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem Example" in Section 4, > we could always adjust that to have a /usr/portage partition in it > (take a bit of space away from /home, or something) > > It doesn't recommend/require anything, but when us

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 02:47:15PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev > > 1. ext4, not ext3, needs to be recommended as the default filesystem. We > > have kernel 3.2 marked stable, there is no need to keep talking about > > ext4 as if it's something

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 27/03/12 03:04 PM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > >> You know, we have "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem Example" in >> Section 4, we could always adjust that to have a /usr/portage >> partition in it (take a bit of space away from /home, or >> something)

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/27/2012 02:53 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 27/03/12 02:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev >> >>> The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to >>> decide on *before* getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread viv...@gmail.com
Il 27/03/2012 20:53, Ian Stakenvicius ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 27/03/12 02:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to decide on *before* getting Gentoo up an

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 27/03/12 02:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev > >> The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to >> decide on *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user >> had finished in

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev > The partitioning scheme is something that the user needs to decide on > *before* getting Gentoo up and running. After the user had finished > installing the operating system, it's too late to inform him about the > advantages of a separate /u

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 20:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > > separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my first Gentoo > > systems had it inside / and

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Aaron W. Swenson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/27/2012 02:01 PM, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to >> create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my >> first

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:49:00 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I don't know whether you've heard, but PackageKit (a hard dependency of udev as of 185, to allow automatic installation of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:49:00PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a > separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my first Gentoo > systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of fragmentation, much > slower "emerge -pvuD

[gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-27 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my first Gentoo systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of fragmentation, much slower "emerge -pvuDN world" (I benchmarked it when I changed my partitioning sche