On Monday 01 March 2010 00:30:01 Mike Frysinger wrote:
thought i disabled this ... oh well, fixed now
-mike
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В Пнд, 10/03/2008 в 04:13 -0800, Alec Warner пишет:
> On 3/10/08, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > В Пнд, 10/03/2008 в 06:12 +0100, Natanael Copa пишет:
> > > It's documented?
> >
> > It is mentioned in some places on website but no, it's not documented as
> > I see.
>
> It is one of
On 3/10/08, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> В Пнд, 10/03/2008 в 06:12 +0100, Natanael Copa пишет:
>
> > Took me weeks to complete the quiz. I want to help, yes, but I do have
> > a life.
>
>
> What were the problems? Do you think that knowledge of answers to the
> questions asked in qui
В Пнд, 10/03/2008 в 06:12 +0100, Natanael Copa пишет:
> Took me weeks to complete the quiz. I want to help, yes, but I do have
> a life.
What were the problems? Do you think that knowledge of answers to the
questions asked in quiz are not required to do actual work on ebuilds in
the tree? What wer
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lastly, taking a quiz is no measure of being malicious or not.
As I wrote elsewhere, the recruitment process is more than just the quizzes.
> You would have
> to interact with the person to know if they are capable for th
On Sun, 2008-03-09 at 21:21 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> On 3/9/08, Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:48 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> >
> > > What exact time constraints and responsibilities are people afraid of?
> > > Are those concerns real or just myths
On Monday 10 March 2008 05:21:51 Alec Warner wrote:
> Did freeBSD not care if you knew what you were doing? What happens if
> you totally screw up your package? What happens if you do something
> malicious?
Gentoo has a cvs-commit mailing list, so everyone knows if they care enough.
I suggest y
On 3/9/08, Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:48 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
>
> > What exact time constraints and responsibilities are people afraid of?
> > Are those concerns real or just myths?
>
>
> As someone who just sent in the quiz, yes its real concerns
On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:48 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> What exact time constraints and responsibilities are people afraid of?
> Are those concerns real or just myths?
As someone who just sent in the quiz, yes its real concerns. What scared
me off mostly is the gentoo politics. The entire proce
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:02:09 +
Sébastien Fabbro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have contacted some talented ebuild submitters who neither want to
> spend the time nor feel the responsibility of a full dev.
Maybe we should try to solve that problem instead of making our
hierarchy even more com
Ulrich Mueller kirjoitti:
Isn't what you wrote the existing policy?
If it is, then the last question of the end-quiz should be changed:
| 19. You are bumping foomatic's ebuild from version 1.5 to version
| 2.0. This new version is a massive rewrite which introduces
| huge changes to
Friday, 7. March 2008, Ulrich Mueller Ви написали:
> > Isn't what you wrote the existing policy?
>
> If it is, then the last question of the end-quiz should be changed:
> | 19. You are bumping foomatic's ebuild from version 1.5 to version
> | 2.0. This new version is a massive rewrite which int
> On Fri, 07 Mar 2008, Petteri Räty wrote:
>>> Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti:
The list of architectures that Gentoo supports is one of its
greatest assets. It is important that Gentoo makes available
an as large as possible set of packages to as many platforms
as is sanely doable
Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti:
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:41:12 +0200
Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti:
On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically
the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:41:12 +0200
Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti:
> > On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01
> > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically
> >> the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST
Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti:
On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically
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On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically
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>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, m
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maintainers don't need to complete the staff quiz.
The staff quiz is focused on our general procedures and how to behave
and interact with other devs. It is a great opportunity for the
recruiter to get to know who he (no
On 21:07 Wed 05 Mar , Santiago M. Mola wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Some of you may argue that we already have proxy-maintainers. That's a
> > great idea, all I'm asking for is for us to formalize the position.
> > Giving a proxy-mai
For what I have been reading through, it seems that satisfying this
particular necessity for some herds would cause a problem to other
herds that are currently fine with the overlays or even with
proxy-maintenance. Perhaps a dual solution would fit better the needs
of everyone and improve the overa
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If it's not too late for this month's meeting, I'd like to discuss
> the possibility of including a new "post" in our developer base -
> the package maintainer.
>
The idea is interesting. We have been thinking about something sim
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 17:11:58 Anant Narayanan wrote:
> If it's not too late for this month's meeting, I'd like to discuss the
> possibility of including a new "post" in our developer base - the
> package maintainer.
>
> a) The requirements to become a package maintainer for Gentoo may be
> le
On 3/5/08, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06-Mar-08, at 2:35 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
> > Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
> >> Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the
> >> package maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
> >
> > How would you ensure ebuil
On 06-Mar-08, at 2:35 AM, Petteri Räty wrote:
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the
package maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
How would you ensure ebuild quality for these package maintainers?
Maintainers will also go through a
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 04:07:48PM -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote:
>> Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the package
>> maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
> So what you're looking for is committer ACLs. Gentoo's CVS currently does
> not use any form of ACLs to rest
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 16:05:09 Petteri Räty wrote:
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the package
maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
How would you ensure ebuild quality for these package maintainers?
Anant Narayanan wrote:
> [stuff]
So basically, what you're looking for is something like Arch Linux's
Trusted User (TU) concept[1].
That works for Arch, because they have 5 repositories (including a
community repo), but I'm not sure how well that would fit Gentoo, where
there's just one.
We'd ne
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 16:05:09 Petteri Räty wrote:
> Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
> > Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the package
> > maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
>
> How would you ensure ebuild quality for these package maintainers?
>
> Regards,
> Pet
Thomas Anderson wrote:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:59:55 Doug Goldstein wrote:
Thomas Anderson wrote:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:41:32 Petteri Räty wrote:
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
"package ma
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the package
maintainer the ability to commit their changes.
How would you ensure ebuild quality for these package maintainers?
Regards,
Petteri
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On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:59:55 Doug Goldstein wrote:
> Thomas Anderson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:41:32 Petteri Räty wrote:
> >> Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
> Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
> "package maintainer" technically. What
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:59:55 Doug Goldstein wrote:
> Thomas Anderson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:41:32 Petteri Räty wrote:
> >> Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
> Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
> "package maintainer" technically. What
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some of you may argue that we already have proxy-maintainers. That's a
> great idea, all I'm asking for is for us to formalize the position.
> Giving a proxy-maintainer an official acknowledgement will definitely
> att
Thomas Anderson wrote:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:41:32 Petteri Räty wrote:
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
"package maintainer" technically. What requirements and/or
priviledges do you think could be reduced?
Marius
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 14:41:32 Petteri Räty wrote:
> Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
> >> Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
> >> "package maintainer" technically. What requirements and/or
> >> priviledges do you think could be reduced?
> >>
> >> Marius
> >
> > P
Thomas Anderson kirjoitti:
Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
"package maintainer" technically. What requirements and/or
priviledges do you think could be reduced?
Marius
Perhaps there could be some honor code system at least, where the package
maintainer w
On 22:41 Wed 05 Mar , Anant Narayanan wrote:
> If it's not too late for this month's meeting, I'd like to discuss the
> possibility of including a new "post" in our developer base - the package
> maintainer.
...
> I'd really like for us to think through this proposal - I strongly believe
>
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 12:45:31 Marius Mauch wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:41:58 +0530
>
> Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> > > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
> >
Please elaborate on how a "full.fledged developer" would differ from a
"package maintainer" technically. What requirements and/or
priviledges do you think could be reduced?
I haven't thought that through fully (in hopes of a few good
suggestions!), but off the top of my head, maintainers don't
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:41:58 +0530
Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
> > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
> > Gentoo dev list to see.
>
> If it's not too late for this month's m
I totally second this proposal.
I think this would be especially great for small or rarely used packages. I
can think of at least a dozen packages that I'd love to see in Portage, but
they are not in the tree. Allowing for people that are not developers to
maintain easy or not crucial packages is
Hi,
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If it's not too late for this month's meeting, I'd like to discuss the
possibility of including a new "post" in our developer base -
Raúl Porcel wrote:
>
> IIRC you are from the blubb era, i'm i right? Blubb did a really god job
> with amd64, and in fact amd64 started 'slacking' since blubb left.
> Unfortunately that doesn't work anymore, in a lot of bugs i've seen an
> AT of yours posting his results, when i was going to do my
At one time there were some apps which reported back "usage" from
people's systems and showed package versions in use? Now, whilst this
in itself is not an indication of package quality or bug-freeness.
Perhaps it would be an interesting datastream to assist in deciding
whether to mark a pack
Richard Freeman wrote:
Raúl Porcel wrote:
Peter Weller wrote:
Oh, I'd be more than happy to accept help from developers like that.
It's just a case of what the "big bosses" think of it. Plus there's
the fact that some other arches operate on a "it compiles, mark it
stable" policy, and we don't
Raúl Porcel wrote:
> Peter Weller wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I'd be more than happy to accept help from developers like that.
>> It's just a case of what the "big bosses" think of it. Plus there's
>> the fact that some other arches operate on a "it compiles, mark it
>> stable" policy, and we don't want devel
В Сбт, 01/03/2008 в 14:39 +, Peter Weller пишет:
> There are also a number of problems with people on the team who are there
> soley so that they don't have to ask the team to mark a package stable for
> them - they can just go and stable it themselves.
It'll be even better if we prohibit s
Peter Weller wrote:
Oh, I'd be more than happy to accept help from developers like that. It's just
a case of what the "big bosses" think of it. Plus there's the fact that some
other arches operate on a "it compiles, mark it stable" policy, and we don't
want developers to bring that attitude t
On Saturday 01 March 2008 10:55:06 Raúl Porcel wrote:
[..snip..]
There are also a number of problems with people on the team who are there
soley so that they don't have to ask the team to mark a package stable for
them - they can just go and stable it themselves. OK, this may help the amd64
tea
On Saturday 01 March 2008 10:55:06 Raúl Porcel wrote:
> So it would be cool if they accepted help from other devs who don't have
> an amd64 system but have access to one and can test stuff. Cla is
> willing to help.
Oh, I'd be more than happy to accept help from developers like that. It's just
Raúl Porcel wrote:
So it would be cool if they accepted help from other devs who don't have
an amd64 system but have access to one and can test stuff. Cla is
willing to help.
I think this may be more a question of what our policy should be
regarding level of testing/stability accepted.
I want to propose to the council to talk about the amd64 arch team and
its big bug list [1] considering they are the most staffed arch team.
They have some bugs that are more than a month old and they are the last
arch. Same for security bugs, and i think amd64 is an important arch and
has a l
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On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 19:28 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 March 2006 04:17, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
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>
> so, GLEP44
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 04:17, Mike Frysinger wrote:
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so, GLEP44 is up right ? any last questions ? /me looks at solar
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