Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-24 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: > I vote no, because someone has to. > > -Alec > > PS: Thanks to be keeping the packages in the tree up to date. So that's only one negative vote :) and others IIRC positive. Time to fill some infra bug until it's forgotten again?

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-23 Thread Alec Warner
I vote no, because someone has to. -Alec PS: Thanks to be keeping the packages in the tree up to date. On 6/22/07, Wernfried Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the council discussed/decided something about mailing lists in their last meeting, there doesn't seem to be a log/summary out tho

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-22 Thread Wernfried Haas
I think the council discussed/decided something about mailing lists in their last meeting, there doesn't seem to be a log/summary out though. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Forums - http://forums.gentoo.org forum-mods (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-foru

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-22 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 20:02 -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote: > On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:09 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm back for my yearly posting about creating a gentoo-dev-announce > > list [1]. Fedora recently created a fedora-devel-announce list with a > > great descriptio

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-22 Thread Thomas Raschbacher (Gentoo)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seemant Kulleen wrote: > FWIW, I like this idea a lot. A lot of devs would rather just read > the good stuff happening in -dev and discard the other 85%. I vote > yes. > > Thanks, > > Seemant > +1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:09 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm back for my yearly posting about creating a gentoo-dev-announce > list [1]. Fedora recently created a fedora-devel-announce list with a > great description of how it works, what's posted to it, etc [2], which > got me exci

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Seemant Kulleen
FWIW, I like this idea a lot. A lot of devs would rather just read the good stuff happening in -dev and discard the other 85%. I vote yes. Thanks, Seemant signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Kumba
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Hi all, I'm back for my yearly posting about creating a gentoo-dev-announce list [1]. Fedora recently created a fedora-devel-announce list with a great description of how it works, what's posted to it, etc [2], which got me excited about making this happen in Gentoo. Last

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:37 -0700, Mike Doty wrote: > Jim Ramsay wrote: > > Mike Doty wrote: > >> or you could ask infra to work it's magic making any post to > >> -dev-announce post to -dev as well and set the replt-to address for > >> -dev-announce to -dev. that way it's all automagic. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Jim Ramsay
Mike Doty wrote: > Jim Ramsay wrote: > > Mike Doty wrote: > >> or you could ask infra to work it's magic making any post to > >> -dev-announce post to -dev as well and set the replt-to address for > >> -dev-announce to -dev. that way it's all automagic. > > > > I hope you meant the List-Post head

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Joe Peterson
This sounds promising. One problem I see, however, is that this would require announcements to get posted to *both* lists and for people to remember this rule. Posting only to "-dev", of course, makes sense, but posting only to "-dev-announce" would cause strangeness (as all devs who want more ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Mike Doty
Jim Ramsay wrote: > Mike Doty wrote: >> or you could ask infra to work it's magic making any post to >> -dev-announce post to -dev as well and set the replt-to address for >> -dev-announce to -dev. that way it's all automagic. > > I hope you meant the List-Post header... unless we would like to h

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Jim Ramsay
Mike Doty wrote: > or you could ask infra to work it's magic making any post to > -dev-announce post to -dev as well and set the replt-to address for > -dev-announce to -dev. that way it's all automagic. I hope you meant the List-Post header... unless we would like to have another discussion on t

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Mike Doty
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm back for my yearly posting about creating a gentoo-dev-announce > list [1]. Fedora recently created a fedora-devel-announce list with a > great description of how it works, what's posted to it, etc [2], which > got me excited about making this happen in Gen

[gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, I'm back for my yearly posting about creating a gentoo-dev-announce list [1]. Fedora recently created a fedora-devel-announce list with a great description of how it works, what's posted to it, etc [2], which got me excited about making this happen in Gentoo. Last time the issue came up,

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 17:36 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > Agree, but with the caveat that devs must still be at least subscribed > > to -core even if they choose not to read it. This way, you could have a > > -dev-announce that also refers to something private on -co

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once >> again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise >> ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 13:10 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > - Create a new list ("gentoo-core-announce" ?) > > Reading: dev-only > > Posting: dev-only, reply-to set to gentoo-core > > This is the reference list of things (policy, decisions and discussions > > in progress

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 6/27/06, Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think so. As I understand it, it's not the amount of threads that makes the noise, it's mainly all the sub-sub-sub-sub-threads. As long as they're about Gentoo, they're not 'noise' to everyone. I confess I don't read every email on

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 6/27/06, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (At this point, I'd like to remind you on my distro independent QM project ...) Never heard of it, sorry. *BUT*: it doesn't make any sense just talking about it. Simply do it or forget it. Only talking is nonsense. If I was admin @gentoo.o

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Simon Stelling
Lance Albertson wrote: > I'd rather not create a -core-announce. The amount of times those types > of things come up on the list are rare. It would be easier to have an > standard subject heading (maybe ANNOUNCEMENT:) that people can use in > their filters. If devs start abusing it, then we'll vote

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Simon Stelling
Stuart Herbert wrote: > But I also think you're over-exaggerating the situation by a long way, > sorry. I don't think so. As I understand it, it's not the amount of threads that makes the noise, it's mainly all the sub-sub-sub-sub-threads. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once > >again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise > >ratio over the past year or two, and it's diffic

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-27 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading.

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Lance Albertson
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Agree, but with the caveat that devs must still be at least subscribed > to -core even if they choose not to read it. This way, you could have a > -dev-announce that also refers to something private on -core if need be. > >> Now, do we really need it to be -core-announce?

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > - Create a new list ("gentoo-core-announce" ?) > Reading: dev-only > Posting: dev-only, reply-to set to gentoo-core > This is the reference list of things (policy, decisions and discussions > in progress) all developers must know about. Agree with -(core|dev)-announce. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 22:38 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Ned Ludd wrote: > > I would be in favor of a gentoo-dev-announce list if it allowed me > > to unsubscribe from this list. > > Sure, if you want to just accept any decisions rather than participate > in making them. The -dev-announce lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-26 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 05:54 +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500 > Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > > > I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be > > > posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posti

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lars Weiler wrote: > * Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/06/24 20:06 -0700]: >> I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to >> a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list >> to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters.

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > I would be in favor of a gentoo-dev-announce list if it allowed me > to unsubscribe from this list. Sure, if you want to just accept any decisions rather than participate in making them. The -dev-announce list should be for finalized decisions. It should be too late to dispute

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lance Albertson wrote: > Outside if this being more centered around dev-only announcements, could > the current -announce list suffice? I'd hate to need to subscribe to > yet-another-announcement-list (or make our developers/users). Our > -announce list certainly has the historical presence where t

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Marius Mauch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500 > Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >>> I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be >>> posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) >>> gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500 Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be > > posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) > > gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure that no developers lose tr

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2006-06-24 at 20:06 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once > again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise > ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff > that's truly required

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Lance Albertson
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to > a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list > to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters. > Hopefully, this will also help to give more focus to discus

[gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2006-06-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decis