On 09/07/2011 20:35, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
Never once have I had any issues
with separate / and /usr, and none of them use an initramfs.
Ditto here, but that doesn't mean that problems don't exist. Right now the
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 04:19:32 -0400
Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 09/07/2011 20:35, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Never once have I had any issues
with separate / and /usr, and none of them use an initramfs.
On 2011-09-08 11:19 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote:
Whoever said we had to do what everyone else did? We're Gentoo, not a
pack of lemmings. If we have to, we should be able to create an
entirely new solution, never thought of before, that fixes the problem
for all parties involved, yet allows us to
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'd rather say we should do the work on real issues rather than
imaginate 'separate /usr' problem. Honestly, most of 'advantages' of
separate /usr are just hacks avoiding other problems.
I guess the irony in my case was
On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:52:55 +0300
Eray Aslan e...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 2011-09-08 11:19 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote:
Whoever said we had to do what everyone else did? We're Gentoo,
not a pack of lemmings. If we have to, we should be able to create
an entirely new solution, never thought of
On 2011-09-08 6:58 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
Could you stick to facts rather than pointless accusations?
It is not an accusation and it is not pointless. For the last time:
Seperate /usr without initramfs used to work. Now it doesn't. What you
are proposing is going to make it well neigh
On 09/08/2011 10:35, Rich Freeman wrote:
It may have changed, but at least in the past you couldn't have root on a
raid5 without an initramfs - you definitely couldn't have it on LVM. So, if
you wanted to run LVM on raid5, you had to have a separate root that was
raid1 with the older
On 09/08/2011 16:02, Eray Aslan wrote:
Seperate /usr without initramfs used to work. Now it doesn't. What you
are proposing is going to make it well neigh impossible to correct later
on. We could have done a proper fix instead of going with the flow.
But I am not the one doing the coding
On Wednesday, September 07, 2011 05:27:05 Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300 Alexey Shvetsov wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
Old systems should migrate to initramfs, like
On Thursday, September 08, 2011 18:15:21 Joshua Kinard wrote:
On 09/08/2011 16:02, Eray Aslan wrote:
Seperate /usr without initramfs used to work. Now it doesn't. What you
are proposing is going to make it well neigh impossible to correct later
on. We could have done a proper fix instead
On 2011-09-09 1:15 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote:
Under what setup does it not work now? I would very much like to know
if some recent OpenRC thing just hosed something. I'm dealing with
torrential rain here, thunderstorms, and I cannot predict when my next
power outage will be. Last thing I need
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:45:43 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
Old systems should migrate to initramfs, like it was already pointed
out before. Breakage is
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:27:05 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
Old systems should migrate to
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:32:05 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:27:05 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
Old systems should
Excerpts from Rich Freeman's message of 2011-09-07 13:22:46 +0200:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Old systems should migrate to initramfs, like it was already pointed
out before. Breakage is already there, you just don't notice it.
Agreed, and once
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:22:46AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
Right now migrating to initramfs won't do any good, as Gentoo doesn't have
an initramfs available which mounts /usr. No doubt once Fedora gets theirs
working we'll be able to copy it (assuming it is FOSS), or we can write our
own.
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:22:46AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300
Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems
Excerpts from Robin H. Johnson's message of 2011-09-07 20:02:57 +0200:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:22:46AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
Right now migrating to initramfs won't do any good, as Gentoo
doesn't have an initramfs available which mounts /usr. No doubt
once Fedora gets theirs working
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Robin H. Johnson robb...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:22:46AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
Right now migrating to initramfs won't do any good, as Gentoo doesn't
have
an initramfs available which mounts /usr. No doubt once Fedora gets
theirs
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On 09/07/2011 05:27, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:17:21 +0300 Alexey Shvetsov ale...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Moving things as openrc to /usr/libexec will effectevely barake old
systems with separtae / and /usr. So it isnt good idea
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
Never once have I had any issues
with separate / and /usr, and none of them use an initramfs.
Ditto here, but that doesn't mean that problems don't exist. Right now the
problems are likely to be subtle, perhaps arising
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 08:35:46PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote:
Never once have I had any issues
with separate / and /usr, and none of them use an initramfs.
Ditto here, but that doesn't mean that problems don't exist.
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 05:31:23PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
Are there possibilities about breaking off just a small piece of openrc and
putting that into /run (or /boot)? Enough of the core scripts so that it
can find /usr and mount it before continuing?
Isn't /run something that's
All,
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes breakage in openrc.
The simplest fix for this would be for us to add /libexec to baselayout
and start using it for platform-agnostic code. We have
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:46:06 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes breakage in openrc.
The simplest fix for this would be for us to add /libexec
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 09:20:38PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:46:06 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes breakage in
Hi,
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 13:46 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
The solution to that bug is probably to use /lib*/.. instead of /lib/...
as the path you use ?
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes breakage in openrc.
that specific report sounds like using /run would fix things ?
as for the
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a symbolic link to /lib64, and this
causes breakage in openrc.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 04:45:43PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
we just got the following bug report for openrc today [1].
On a gentoo 64 bit system, /lib is a
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 16:45 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
The simplest fix for this would be for us to add /libexec to baselayout
and start using it for
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 17:58:12 Olivier Crête wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 16:45 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
The simplest fix for this would be for us to
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 17:53:37 William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 04:45:43PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:21:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 14:46:06 William Hubbs wrote:
we just got the following bug report
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