Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: $BUILDDIR in ebuilds

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 02:51:26AM -0500, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: Like in here? app-doc/halibut/halibut-0.9.ebuild: BUILDDIR=${S}/build \ net-dns/maradns/maradns-1.0.27.ebuild:BUILDDIR=${S}/build \ net-dns/maradns/maradns-1.0.32.ebuild:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Bastiaan Visser
On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote: well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt, it'll turn on the qt USE flag) which we've already established quite clearly as something we wish to get rid

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
Currently there are quite a few ebuilds in the tree that execute dodoc or dohtml for files that do not exist. I think it would be nice to have ebuilds die if this is the case. To not break current ebuilds this would only happen with FEATURES=stricter. Sigh... There are already bugs flowing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Unified nVidia Driver Ebuild ready for testing

2005-12-26 Thread Rodolfo Boer
Alle 13:50, sabato 24 dicembre 2005, Peter ha scritto: Also, I find it absolutely fascinating that the only people against this concept are devs, and the only people for it are users. Remember that users are your customers. Every effort should be made to keep them happy. As a user, I wouldn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Luca Barbato
Doug Goldstein wrote: the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this crap... ./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Petteri Räty
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 03:28, Chris White wrote: I'm not sure if we're on the same page as far as the target audience of this change. The target audience is developers/those with strict in their features. Actually stricter, and there are way too many

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jakub Moc schrieb: | |Currently there are quite a few ebuilds in the tree that execute dodoc or |dohtml for files that do not exist. I think it would be nice to have |ebuilds die if this is the case. To not break current ebuilds this would |only

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Simon Stelling
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: I'm not sure if we're on the same page as far as the target audience of this change. The target audience is developers/those with strict in their features. Actually stricter, and there are way too many people to put that in without knowing what that do... or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Petteri Räty
Bastiaan Visser wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote: well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt, it'll turn on the qt USE flag) which we've already established quite clearly as

[gentoo-dev] New developer: hd_brummy

2005-12-26 Thread Bryan Østergaard
Hi all. Jörg Bornkessel (hd_brummy) hails from Berlin, Germany and joined the Gentoo team about two weeks ago to help with Video Disk Recorder related ebuilds. Outside Gentoo Jörg is self-employed, doing webdesign and fixing computers. Jörg also enjoys spending time with his Harley motorcycle.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: $BUILDDIR in ebuilds

2005-12-26 Thread Drake Wyrm
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 02:51:26AM -0500, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: Like in here? app-doc/halibut/halibut-0.9.ebuild: BUILDDIR=${S}/build \ net-dns/maradns/maradns-1.0.27.ebuild:BUILDDIR=${S}/build \

[gentoo-dev] Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Petteri Räty
Petteri Räty wrote: R Hill wrote: Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some of the packages in this list so I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 26 December 2005 20:01, Jakub Moc wrote: Currently there are quite a few ebuilds in the tree that execute dodoc or dohtml for files that do not exist. I think it would be nice to have ebuilds die if this is the case. To not break current ebuilds this would only happen with

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.12.2005, 14:28:12, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 20:01, Jakub Moc wrote: Currently there are quite a few ebuilds in the tree that execute dodoc or dohtml for files that do not exist. I think it would be nice to have ebuilds die if this is the case. To not break current

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Drake Wyrm
Petteri R??ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petteri R??ty wrote: R Hill wrote: Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Petteri Räty
Drake Wyrm wrote: Petteri R??ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petteri R??ty wrote: R Hill wrote: Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stepping aside...

2005-12-26 Thread Wernfried Haas
The GDP does very good work and i think you did your part to make this happen. Thanks! On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 04:44:28PM +0100, Sven Vermeulen wrote: With kind regards (yes, that's what Wkr stands for), Wkr, too :-) Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 26 December 2005 13:59, Simon Stelling wrote: Actually stricter, and there are way too many people to put that in without knowing what that do... or is it a default nowadays, I'm not even sure. You're mixing up 'strict' with 'stricter'. Well if I'm mixing up, someone moved the QA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 26 December 2005 14:57, Drake Wyrm wrote: You're going to be hard-pressed to get any kind of consensus on this issue. Many dev seems to feel that the license belongs there. In some cases the COPYING, LICENSE, and/or INSTALL files contain, not boilerplate drivel, but actually unique,

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 12/26/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 13:59, Simon Stelling wrote: Actually stricter, and there are way too many people to put that in without knowing what that do... or is it a default nowadays, I'm not even sure. You're mixing up

Re: [gentoo-dev] making dodoc and dohtml die when they fail and stricter is on

2005-12-26 Thread Dan Meltzer
and my bad. I am not yet awake. It died cause of runpaths on strict, it just showed both, and I wasn't thinking when I sent earlier email... On 12/26/05, Dan Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/26/05, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 13:59,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: hd_brummy

2005-12-26 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Welcome aboard and have a good time! -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:09:57 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of | this crap... No, you just don't understand how they work. It's not an issue of is foo important. It's an issue of for packages with optional foo

[gentoo-dev] New Developer: codergeek42

2005-12-26 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, please help me to welcome Peter Gordon aka codergeek42, our latest addition to the ranks of Gentoo Developers. And someone please explain to him how to secure his bum in SpanKY's immediate vicinity ;-) Peter is a global moderator in the Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Dale wrote: I'm not a dev but I can see both sides. I learned why some things are being pulled in that I couldn't figure out. I use KDE but do not want Gnome and it appears that I have some gnome stuff installed and didn't know it, because of the USE line. I guess they are in there because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jan Kundrát
Petteri Räty wrote: aint it worth it to mention -* in the handbook ? If you make a decision, http://bugs.gentoo.org/ please. And then mentioning stuff like pam that almost everyone wants? There are also things that should be on by default. If it should be on by default, let's add it to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Monday 26 December 2005 17:32, Jan Kundrát wrote: If it should be on by default, let's add it to the profile, don't ask users to turn it on themselves. That s what it s done now. But -* would disable it... -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò - http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/ Gentoo/ALT lead,

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.12.2005, 16:35:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 00:09:57 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of | this crap... No, you just don't understand how they work. It's not an issue of is foo important.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing | needs to die. Why? On x86, alsa is the least broken sound system, and on x86, the target for the default profiles is desktops, and most desktops have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Simon Stelling
Doug Goldstein wrote: the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this crap... ./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.12.2005, 18:07:45, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing | needs to die. Why? On x86, alsa is the least broken sound system, and on x86, the target for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Andrew Muraco
Petteri Räty wrote: Bastiaan Visser wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 09:33, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 02:24, Doug Goldstein wrote: well there is always USE enabling... (i.e. When I emerge x11-libs/qt, it'll turn on the qt USE flag) which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Doug Goldstein
Simon Stelling wrote: Doug Goldstein wrote: the USE defaults are a bit INSANE... We need to get rid of some of this crap... ./default-linux/x86/2005.0/make.defaults:USE=alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fo nts crypt cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer

Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Joe McCann
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people wondering why the heck portage wants to emerge gnome with USE=-gtk -gnome How do you suggest the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 26 December 2005 19:36, Joe McCann wrote: This whole thread seems to have come from a misunderstanding of how use.defaults work and 20 min of boredom. use.defaults are based on the idea that having an ebuild installed should activate the relevant use flag(s) behind the users back.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 26 December 2005 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Because it makes sense. For any application which has IUSE=emboss, chances are emboss should be enabled. There was a long discussion about this on the -user list a while back where I ended up posting a newbie-friendly explanation of the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Duncan
Jakub Moc posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:53:55 +0100: 26.12.2005, 18:07:45, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | alsa - this does not make most sense definitely, this horrible thing | needs to

Re[4]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.12.2005, 19:36:23, Joe McCann wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people wondering why the heck portage wants to emerge gnome with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:03:42 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 26 December 2005 18:07, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Because it makes sense. For any application which has IUSE=emboss, | chances are emboss should be enabled. There was a long discussion | about this on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 24 December 2005 02:04, Brian Harring wrote: dev-lang/python[tcltk] ^^^ need that atom resolved with use flag tcltk enabled I think that's exactly what someone told me months ago. :) =sys-apps/portage-2.0[sandbox,!build] ^^^ need =portage-2.0 merged with sandbox on, build off.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:09:31 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I wonder if portage deals fine with subtle dependency | incompatibilities, when one package has foo[!bar] and another one | foo[bar] as dependency and spits out a reasonable error message to | apply mutual blockers. If

Re: Re[4]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Joe McCann
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:24 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: 26.12.2005, 19:36:23, Joe McCann wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:57 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: eds - please, fix the ebuilds properly instead of throwing the thing on everyone. This has already caused numerous invalid bugs with people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 December 2005 08:24, Petteri Räty wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: R Hill wrote: Daniel Ahlberg wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: $BUILDDIR in ebuilds

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 26 December 2005 08:24, Drake Wyrm wrote: Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 02:51:26AM -0500, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: Like in here? app-doc/halibut/halibut-0.9.ebuild: BUILDDIR=${S}/build \

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Stephen P. Becker
OK, so because every 3rd gnome user is not able to add the proper use flag to make.conf, every non-gnome user is stuck with investigating and putting -eds into make.conf to avoid pulling in gnome crap. Wonderful. Yes, I am ranting, because this kind of use flags basically pulls in huge number or

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Jakub Moc
26.12.2005, 22:21:14, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petteno wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 20:24, Jakub Moc wrote: exactly the same thing with motif - would someone explain why the heck do do we need this thing in make.defaults? Because people emerges xpdf waiting for xpdf binary and they won't find

Re: [gentoo-dev] Binary packages in the tree

2005-12-26 Thread Mark Loeser
Mark Loeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mark Loeser [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So, everyone that has a binary package in the tree, I would appreciate it if you could put the sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 depend into your package if necessary. Well, you can tell I didn't exactly think about this too

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:19:47 -0700 Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Is it feasible and or useful to have a 'meta-flag' that that enables | all the 'necessary' USE flags for a given group of packages? So | something like USE='meta-flagname'. USE flags are for things that're optional, not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Andrew Muraco
Lares Moreau wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:36 -0600, Joe McCann wrote: For the record, the eds flag was added as a default flag because every 3rd gnome user would file bugs or complain via forums because they installed gnome, found no evolution-data-server integration, and then be bummed

[gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2005-12-26 Thread Marcelo Góes
Fellow Gentooers, Here is a draft of an enhancement proposal that should allow upstream information to be included in metadata.xml: http://dev.gentoo.org/~vanquirius/glep-0099.txt It is authored by ciaranm and me (vanquirius). Please comment :-). Cheers, Marcelo -- Marcelo Góes [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:11:46 -0200 Marcelo Góes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Here is a draft of an enhancement proposal that should allow upstream | information to be included in metadata.xml: | | http://dev.gentoo.org/~vanquirius/glep-0099.txt Should show up in nicely rendered HTML here within an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 26 December 2005 21:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If they're purely in DEPEND, that one isn't even an incompatability. Right. But it's not that unlikely to see such a corner case sooner or later and it would be good if Portage catches it, instead spitting out a weird message, leaving

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Stefan Schweizer
That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please keep this info out of the sync-tree? I do not see why this is necessary to be in the tree - we can do fine with a webbased database for that. - Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:33:13 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The problem is not the SLOT change, but to build foo depending on | bar against KDE X, while bar is built against KDE Y. foo and | bar support all slotted KDE versions, but they need to be build | against the same one.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:46:49AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | The existing syntax is just as extensible. Up the EABI revision, and | start adding new syntax as needed. | | EAPI has nothing to do with the consistency of the syntax. Getting it | once right, is what you usually call for.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please | keep this info out of the sync-tree? Learn to use the rsync exclude list. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:57:07 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not saying it's a great idea, but EAPI exists to provide immediate | transition to incompatible changes instead of the usual work out a | semi backwards compatible way, don't use it for 6 months, then deal | with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Lares Moreau
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please | keep this info out of the sync-tree? Learn to use the rsync exclude list. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:59:34AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please | keep this info out of the sync-tree? Learn to use the rsync exclude list.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 12/26/05, Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please | keep this info out of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:03:49AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:57:07 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not saying it's a great idea, but EAPI exists to provide immediate | transition to incompatible changes instead of the usual work out a | semi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:17:54 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:03:49AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:57:07 -0800 Brian Harring | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Not saying it's a great idea, but EAPI exists to provide | | immediate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 08:12:03PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: On 12/26/05, Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That will increase the sync time for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 09:09:31PM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Saturday 24 December 2005 02:04, Brian Harring wrote: dev-lang/python[tcltk] ^^^ need that atom resolved with use flag tcltk enabled I think that's exactly what someone told me months ago. :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Dale
Lares Moreau wrote: I'm relatively ignorant of USE Flag intricacies, so please forgive me if things don't 'fit'. Ditto for me. I have a question or two. I have servers that have no GUI at all. I just use them to run folding on. Would I benefit from puting in USE=-* in my USE line?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 01:46, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: You solve this either by SLOTting bar and making each bar SLOT use a SLOT dep upon KDE, or by using USE flags and [use]:slot deps. It's not a that uncommon case and would lead to dozens, very likely (depending on the future development

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Dale
Lares Moreau wrote: There are already complaints about syncs taking to long. As a dial-up user, I may be one of them. Sorry. It takes me 30 to 45 minutes to sync. That's if it has few changes. It took almost a hour when KDE was upgraded. This does NOT include downloading any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Marius Mauch
Stefan Schweizer wrote: That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we please keep this info out of the sync-tree? I do not see why this is necessary to be in the tree - we can do fine with a webbased database for that. The additional time is not significant as this will be a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:07:29 -0700 Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | That will increase the sync time for all of our users - can we | | please

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2005-12-26 Thread Marius Mauch
Marcelo Góes wrote: Fellow Gentooers, Here is a draft of an enhancement proposal that should allow upstream information to be included in metadata.xml: http://dev.gentoo.org/~vanquirius/glep-0099.txt It is authored by ciaranm and me (vanquirius). Please comment :-). Will those new tags

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 12/26/05, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 08:12:03PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: On 12/26/05, Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:45:00 +0100 Stefan Schweizer [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:43:19 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Will those new tags support the restrict attribute? Is restrict something that's in use and working, or did it never get off the drawing board? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (I can kill you with my brain) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:29, Brian Harring wrote: So... basically, your concern is with the resolver, not use/slot deps syntax. I did not say that this would have anything to do with the syntax. Am I right to extract from your words that we get rid of ~arch users complains about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2005-12-26 Thread Marius Mauch
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 02:43:19 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Will those new tags support the restrict attribute? Is restrict something that's in use and working, or did it never get off the drawing board? Well, it's listed in metadata.dtd, so any package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:23, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Nooo! That's exactly the point I was making. Carsten is assuming that by using [slot:bar] syntax, no backwards incompatibility will be introduced by adding a new [fish:] key. Nooo! ;) I said it would look more consistent, than always

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:01:13AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:29, Brian Harring wrote: So... basically, your concern is with the resolver, not use/slot deps syntax. I did not say that this would have anything to do with the syntax. Am I right to extract

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:42, Brian Harring wrote: Well, we all seem to be missing the issue, so please spell it out clearly (rather then it's going to get bad). Didn't grok it from the previous email, so spell it out please :) Just did so in the answer on your other email. Carsten

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:07:52AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:23, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Nooo! That's exactly the point I was making. Carsten is assuming that by using [slot:bar] syntax, no backwards incompatibility will be introduced by adding a new [fish:]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: Either way, still not totally following your complaint, thus an actual example would help (easiest to assume I'm a moron, and start at that level of explanation). O.k. 1. You have KDE 3.4 and Digikam (version doesn't matter) installed 2.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: Never said anything about 2.1 + resolver enhancements (no clue where that one came from). Merely commenting on your raised issues about use/slot deps. From your words. Thanks for destroying my hope in two sentences. ;p So we add this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:32:04AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: Either way, still not totally following your complaint, thus an actual example would help (easiest to assume I'm a moron, and start at that level of explanation). O.k.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:36:00AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:11, Brian Harring wrote: Never said anything about 2.1 + resolver enhancements (no clue where that one came from). Merely commenting on your raised issues about use/slot deps. From your words.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:40, Brian Harring wrote: The version of digikam being merged requires slot=3.5- it should be depending on libk* slot=3.5, also, no? No! It (and also its dependencies) can be built against each 3.x slot. As long as the information is represented dependency wise,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:54:38 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:40, Brian Harring wrote: | The version of digikam being merged requires slot=3.5- it should be | depending on libk* slot=3.5, also, no? | | No! It (and also its dependencies) can be built

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multiple Repo Support

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 03:54:38AM +0100, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:40, Brian Harring wrote: The version of digikam being merged requires slot=3.5- it should be depending on libk* slot=3.5, also, no? No! It (and also its dependencies) can be built against each

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Chandler Carruth
Lares Moreau wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:36 -0600, Joe McCann wrote: For the record, the eds flag was added as a default flag because every 3rd gnome user would file bugs or complain via forums because they installed gnome, found no evolution-data-server integration, and then be bummed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having a few more specialized subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde. base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point... very similar to server

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Chandler Carruth
Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having a few more specialized subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde. base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 12:10:04AM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: 3) there is _no_ functionality added by any of this, only user-friendliness after a fashion, and as such, perhaps it should all be chucked

[gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread R Hill
Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 14:57, Drake Wyrm wrote: You're going to be hard-pressed to get any kind of consensus on this issue. Many dev seems to feel that the license belongs there. In some cases the COPYING, LICENSE, and/or INSTALL files contain, not boilerplate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:01, R Hill wrote: AFAIK most licenses need to be included with the distribution of the source, not installed on the system after compilation. But I could be wrong too. anyone who installs a program in portage already has a copy of the license on their system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:08:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:01, R Hill wrote: AFAIK most licenses need to be included with the distribution of the source, not installed on the system after compilation. But I could be wrong too. anyone who installs a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Installing COPYING or LICENSE files

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:23, Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:08:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:01, R Hill wrote: AFAIK most licenses need to be included with the distribution of the source, not installed on the system after

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Julien Allanos (dju`)
Le Mardi 27 Décembre 2005 02:52, Dan Meltzer a écrit : On 12/26/05, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 08:12:03PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: On 12/26/05, Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 00:59 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml (GLEP 46)

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 02:43, Julien Allanos (dju`) wrote: Are the $HOMEPAGE, $DESCRIPTION possibly $LICENSE or even $SRC_URI this answer should be pretty obvious, of course these values could change drastically across even revisions, let alone versions package or version specific

Re: [gentoo-dev] Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2005-12-26 Thread John Myers
On Monday 26 December 2005 16:11, Marcelo Góes wrote: ``maintainer`` can contain the tags ``name`` and ``email``, indicating the person/organization responsible for upstream maintainership of the package. What if upstream is more than one person, but less than an organization? What if there is

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] portage-2.1_pre2 and new use flag showing with emerge -p

2005-12-26 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 26 December 2005 07:18, Petteri Räty wrote: I propose we improve the emerge -pv output to be something like the following: [ebuild U ] media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r1 [1.0.10] NEW=-debug OLD=-doc oss 0 kB This would keep the functionality with --verbose. The NEW and OLD

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] portage-2.1_pre2 and new use flag showing with emerge -p

2005-12-26 Thread Petteri Räty
Jason Stubbs wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 07:18, Petteri Räty wrote: I propose we improve the emerge -pv output to be something like the following: [ebuild U ] media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r1 [1.0.10] NEW=-debug OLD=-doc oss 0 kB This would keep the functionality with --verbose.

[gentoo-portage-dev] minimal python version required

2005-12-26 Thread Brian Harring
Yo. So I'm getting antsy, and looking to start using fun features like sets, generator expressions, etc. Not a 2.2 thing however. So the question is, when are we going to give the finger to 2.2 and move forward? :) ~harring pgpjw5zAtLPH9.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] minimal python version required

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 00:52, Brian Harring wrote: So I'm getting antsy, and looking to start using fun features like sets, generator expressions, etc. Not a 2.2 thing however. So the question is, when are we going to give the finger to 2.2 and move forward? :) i think it's safe to

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