Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Initial python-r1.eclass distutils-r1.eclass

2012-10-01 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 30-09-2012 14:47:17 -0700, Brian Harring wrote: In the worst case it returns Bad marshalling data. Examples wanted for this. If this occurs, that's a python bug- one exception... portage (figures). They install into a non /usr/lib/python* location, meaning the .pyc/.pyo from py2.6 is

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-10-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:56:56 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:53:40PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: But here's the thing: when you sell something as pragmatic, what you're really saying is it's wrong, I know it's wrong, and I'm going to pretend that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Initial python-r1.eclass distutils-r1.eclass

2012-10-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:36:12AM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 30-09-2012 14:47:17 -0700, Brian Harring wrote: In the worst case it returns Bad marshalling data. Examples wanted for this. If this occurs, that's a python bug- one exception... portage (figures). They install into a

[gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. Is infra already looking into this? 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html 2: http://www.donarmstrong.com/posts/switching_to_kgb/ -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-10-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:13:49AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: x? ( build: a run: b ) *is* nested conflicting. You're still failing to understand the point of labels parsing rules, though: the point is to make uses like the above well defined and consistent. I understand them just fine;

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-pms] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-10-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 02:01:32 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 08:13:49AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: x? ( build: a run: b ) *is* nested conflicting. You're still failing to understand the point of labels parsing rules, though: the point is to make

[gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Duncan
Ben de Groot posted on Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:14:25 +0800 as excerpted: Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. Is infra already looking into this? 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html 2:

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Ben de Groot schrieb: Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. I understand that ohloh is already tracking us (sometimes at least). http://www.ohloh.net/p/gentoo/ Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag

2012-10-01 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 17:44 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Initial python-r1.eclass distutils-r1.eclass

2012-10-01 Thread Marien Zwart
(pardon any awkward formatting, writing from webinterface instead of a proper client. Please yell at me off-list or on irc if this post is excessively broken.) https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300922 From that bug: - chpathtool does some simple heuristic to switch the build EPREFIX

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rafael Goncalves Martins
Hi Ben, On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. Is infra already looking into this? 1: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/245-CIA.vc-is-dead.html 2:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Initial python-r1.eclass distutils-r1.eclass

2012-10-01 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 01-10-2012 17:17:40 +0200, Marien Zwart wrote: There used to be a more subtle problem: the python objects you import have the path to their source embedded into them, and if you move the .pyc/.pyo file around that path would be wrong, confusing some (mostly debugging) tools (see

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients again! :) Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Jeff Horelick
Well nenolod has written a CIA - Irker proxy that (I believe) takes commit messages designed to go to CIA and makes irker read them and such, but i haven't looked into it: https://github.com/nenolod/irker-cia-proxy On 1 October 2012 11:21, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know to what depth this has been discussed in the past, but if you use git, you also get an HTTP transport, which has a useful feature: You could simplify updating the tree on end-users's machines by using caching

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rafael Goncalves Martins
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know to what depth this has been discussed in the past, but if you use git, you also get an HTTP transport, which has a useful feature: You could

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote: Have you ever thought that people may be not really interested on this move? or don't have the time to work on it? or don't care enough to spend time on it? or just wants someone else to do the work? I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 11:29, Rich Freeman wrote: Where else would one discuss it? gentoo-scm Yes, there is a mailing list for that. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: I doubt everybody is going to be happy if somebody convinces infra to shut down cvs without any discussion first. I would do exactly that, actually. There's been years of discussion. There's even a mailing list for discussion. //Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On 10/1/2012 10:29 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: Looking at the tracker [1], we need a pre-upload hook (I'm not quite sure why), an rsync conversion script, the ability to validate the converted tree, and documentation. There is still an open bug for commit signing, and I'm not quite sure why as

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Gregory M. Turner wrote: fuck everyone, we are doing this, here is the changeover date. Well put. When is the date? I suggest October 5th, 18:00 UTC. //Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building enhancements for cvs, why not just migrate everything to git, and spend our time building the git hooks/etc necessary to make this work? The CIA/irc bot issue is

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Why exactly are we still using cvs? Rather than building enhancements for cvs, why not just migrate everything to git, and spend our time building the

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 13:17, Peter Stuge wrote: Gregory M. Turner wrote: fuck everyone, we are doing this, here is the changeover date. Well put. When is the date? I suggest October 5th, 18:00 UTC. And I suggest we stop here. We have a different mailing list for this and it's getting tiring. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: And I suggest we stop here. We have a different mailing list for this and it's getting tiring. Ok, looking at the archives as far as I can tell nobody is really monitoring that list (a post requesting a status

[gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I don't think we can keep the discussion off -dev forever though. It seems like we're close to being able to implement, which means lots of changes that impact all devs. I can't imagine that we'd want to implement that without some kind of council

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Honestly, this whole thread, with the exception of Rafael, makes me facepalm incredibly, because everybody is saying it's easy! without asking the people who have done the work up to now and will have to manage it. Noone said it's easy. Please don't put words in my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 14:41, Peter Stuge wrote: Noone said it's easy. «This just strikes me as something that is about at the point where we could just do it.» This was Rich at 11.29 Pacific Time. Several said it needs to just-be-done, without further consensus. I support that. Everyone also agrees

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: With all due respect, .. you calling for shutdown dates .. is obnoxious. I don't know about respectful, but oh well.. Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming this mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:21, Peter Stuge wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: With all due respect, .. you calling for shutdown dates .. all without changing a stupid subject line to at least show you're no longer speaking about the original topic (it's not like people can be psychic that you're

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Another idea I have, besides the go-ahead+fix what breaks, is that after everything has broken, Gentoo developers will not be spamming this mailing list like three-year-olds screaming rude complaints about how things do not work and calling infra bad names, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On 01/10/2012 15:53, Peter Stuge wrote: Then you probably don't know half the Gentoo developers I think they are the ones who should fork. :) Unfortunately the problem is that they tend to linger around even after forking... -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu —

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Gregory M. Turner
If you're going to paint me and the other folks expressing opinions as entitled mouth-breathers, certainly you can't expect not to hear any reply because it's off-topic! On 10/1/2012 2:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote: I don't think we can keep the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

2012-10-01 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm sorry. Perhaps Rich and I

[gentoo-dev] CVS - git, list of where non-infra folk can contribute

2012-10-01 Thread Brian Harring
Cross-posting to scm; responses should go to scm please (and the people who whinge about cross posting should go promptly to hell if I have any say in the matter). On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 05:58:43PM -0700, Diego Elio Petten?? wrote: On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: Anyhow, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 October 2012 17:48, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Ben de Groot posted on Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:14:25 +0800 as excerpted: Since CIA.vc is dead [1], I think we should be looking into a replacement service, or host our own [2]. Is infra already looking into this? 1:

Re: [gentoo-dev] CVS - git, list of where non-infra folk can contribute

2012-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
Thank you so much for taking the time to give us this clear list of things that need to be done to take this forward! -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin