[gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-office/qchartdiary, x11-misc/qtnotifydaemon, x11-plugins/qled

2017-12-03 Thread Andreas Sturmlechner
# Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstream, depends on dead qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #639254 x11-misc/qtnotifydaemon # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstream, depends on dead qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #637098 app-office/qchartdiary # Andrea

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
1 / 1b seems reasonable for mitigating signal/noise issues. (previously unaware non-dev subscribers //currently// could post) On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > ...establish the following changes to the mailing lists: > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists wil

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Hello there, Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists > and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motion. SO here's > a proposal that aims to improve the condition of our mailing lists > and solv

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors will be able to obt

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

2017-12-03 Thread Andreas Sturmlechner
# Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #631788 games-board/capicity games-board/kcheckers games-board/qgo games-board/holdingnuts games-board/qcheckers games-emulation/virtualjaguar games-emulation/dboxfe games-

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors will be able to obtain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

2017-12-03 Thread James Le Cuirot
On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:41:56 +0100 Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) > # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. > # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #631788 > ... > games-kids/crayon-physics This is a commercial game that I have played in the past a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Damo Brisbane
As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO anything requiring "manual restructuring" - verses automation - I am a little suspicious of. If dumb stuff is coming through, why cant the good stuff be auto

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Damo Brisbane
"suspicious of" to strong a word - "wary of" ! On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Damo Brisbane wrote: > As a relative newbie I wonder about the format generally of the lists, > however "unbroken", I would be concerned about a dated look. Also, IMO > anything requiring "manual restructuring" - vers

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner napisał: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to put things into motio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 09:30:36PM +0100, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives w

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶34 +0100, użytkownik Vincent-Xavier JUMEL napisał: > Hello there, > > Le 03 décembre à 00:18 Michał Górny a écrit > > Hello, everyone. > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately but it > > seems that nobody went forward to put t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 20∶19 +0100, użytkownik Róbert Čerňanský napisał: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:18:04 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription (read

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: Dead Qt4-based games-*/

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 20∶54 +, użytkownik James Le Cuirot napisał: > On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:41:56 +0100 > Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > > > # Andreas Sturmlechner (03 Dec 2017) > > # Dead upstreams, depending on dead qt3support/qt4. > > # Masked for removal in 30 days. Bug #63178

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Michał Górny
W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 napisał: > Hello, > > In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: > the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out as I think > it important that everyone realize that not all posts are written f

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Matt Turner
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > The problems of more abusive behavior from some of the mailing list > members have been reported to ComRel numerous times. After the failure > of initial enforcement, I'm not aware of ComRel doing anything to solve > the problem. The main argum

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Gerion Entrup
Am Sonntag, 3. Dezember 2017, 22:43:19 CET schrieb Michał Górny: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan > Ochtman napisał: > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > > init

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Bradfield
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 11:33:11PM +0100, Gerion Entrup wrote: I'm a long term Gentoo user, but have read this list a few month only, so correct me, if I'm wrong. I've seen the main usage of this list in three aspects: 1. Review and discussion of new (technical) features (eclasses, EAPI, package

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2017-12-03 23:59 UTC

2017-12-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Matt Turner
A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more than just an annoyance. A new study out of the Harvard Business School warns

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: > > With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to > view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / > staff leave It isn't just the risk of leaving, but the risk of them never joining in the first place.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
More than zero posts on this thread are consistent with this point: On 12/02/2017 06:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > 3. Support requests. Some of our 'expert users' have been abusing > the mailing lists to request support (because it's easier to ask > everyone than go through proper channels) and/or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/03/2017 07:51 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >> With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to >> view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / >> staff leave > It isn't just the risk of leaving, but the

Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 13∶52 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner > napisał: > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > Hello, everyone. > > > > > > This is something that's been talked about privately a lot lately

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread Peter Stuge
Hi Michał, Michał Górny wrote: > major problems with some of the posters for more than a year. Please believe me when I say that I know what this feels like. I want to applaud and thank everyone who has been tackling/discussing this issue in private, and I especially want to applaud taking actio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread kuzetsa
On 12/03/2017 08:19 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > this 18 min talk by Donnie Berkholz from 2012, about Gentoo actually: Someone in private linked that video to me today. Yeah :( > Do not tolerate bad behavior by anyone! --snip-- > It is important to take action which clearly rejects > unacceptable b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread R0b0t1
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu sob, 02.12.2017 o godzinie 19∶33 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1 > napisał: >> Hello, >> >> In every mailing list conversation, there are at least three people: >> the two conversing, and the future reader. I point this out as I think >> it imp

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists

2017-12-03 Thread R0b0t1
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > > Yes please. I don't want to see gentoo end because of ... rudeness. > Be careful, it is easy to disguise rudeness as tact.