I'm not. There's a niche that Gentoo fits really well and I
think we should focus on perfecting that niche instead of trying to be
better than distroA or distroB.
Ok, thats all my ranting for today. Hopefully I didn't start off the
next world flamewar :-)
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Lares Moreau wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:14 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I have been involved with many Volunteer organisations over the last
couple years. Not all computer related. Something Gentoo is notably
missing is a Mission Statement. IMO a Mission statement acts as a beacon
because of the lack of vision in the past few years. Thus why I brought
this topic up because I'd like to see us move forward with progress.
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Patrick Lauer wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
A mission statement only goes so far. The underlying leadership has to
make sure that statement is upheld and kept alive. Too many folks have a
mission statement, but no one ever remembers what it is or abides
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 11:25 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I'm also for telling the users to rsync exclude the ChangeLogs if they
don't want them instead of getting rid of them or crippling them.
I don't think that's really a solution. That's just a way to minimize
what
referring to the source-based nature of our OS. There isn't
another distro out there that does it as well as us and we should
improve on that fact. Let the other distros get better at being
binary-based.
Anyways, thats my thoughts.
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Grant Goodyear wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote: [Mon Jan 02 2006, 12:14:05PM CST]
Gentoo has been missing some kind of direction/goal for some time now.
Looking back at the last two years, what are the major
changes/accomplishments that we have done? Granted, I know there has
been great strides
and make sure everyone is on the same page.
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. You'll be stuck in committee decisions
all the time.
Not saying its impossible, but it won't be easy.
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group the flexibility of doing whatever they need
to do without the backlash of everyone else.
Just my thoughts on the whole situation.
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of the technical details behind it, but we need something to make
the binpkgs more useful outside of the local system. Having the ebuild
packed at the end is a great idea! I think its just time to extend the
format to include more and possibly add things for build servers.
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On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 17:32 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
snip a bunch about binpkg
I think a key thing that is missing is build info that is only kept on
the installed system. If we were to ever create a build server setup, we
need to be able to have multiple binpkg's
place to start things off before they go
official, then the devwiki is a perfect place. Once they are ready to be
consumed by the other folks, they should be placed on www.g.o somewhere.
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to take it away from them.
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for such
things. Just create a bug so I can put it on my todo list.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 01:17 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I understand the block was lifted for projects, but that doesn't mean
herds should all should fit underneath proj/. I think we should open up
a similar space just for herds.
I think that would be a wonderful
is simply silly. This is
really starting to look like a power issue rather than a QA issue.
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attitude/actions, please comment
on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). Its better
if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting other people
quoting what you say.
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Lance Albertson wrote:
I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have
problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please comment
on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). Its better
if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting other people
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:09:28 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:35:34 -0600 Lance Albertson
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| | QA shouldn't have to depend on the tools you use.
|
| Sure. However, the tree
, while others are still MIA.
Please be patient as they work on resolving the issue. I believe CVS
should be working now and the tree should be updating. Please let me
know if that is not the case.
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Lance Albertson wrote:
It appears that the OSL had some kind of a power issue (which
unfortunately included having some issues with the generator). They are
still working on bringing machines back up, but anything thats tied to
the database server is not working (bugs/forums/etc). I have half
regarding infra having no
accountability.
I believe all devs have the most confidence in the council since it was
fairly voted upon by everyone.
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my real numbers).
[1] http://dev.gentoo.org/~ramereth/misc/gentoo-buscard2.odg
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Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:52:38PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 07 April 2006 19:39, Roy Marples wrote:
... some just want a generic Gentoo business card and the
ones we had were great, but when you get into real conversations, the guy
wants
if that's exactly what
you're looking for, but its a really nice lightweight way of creating a
gentoo-like system w/o the things you described above. Take a look and
give it a shot :)
[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap.xml
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can
squeeze in some booth time. Add me on the list of folks to keep in
contact for this.
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on there.
Anyways, I'd just thought I'd give my input since its going to need to
go through us eventually :). If people like the idea of having a SoC
project for this, let me know and I'll have user-rel add that to the list.
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I know of currently.
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into oblivion.
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. :-)
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will only make the project less credible. I
do not support such tactics on infra if this is certainly the case.
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with this
without consulting the group first. If you can't sort out the issues
that have been brought out here, I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline
my support on infra hardware for this specific project (but not the
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going to support the project on
infra if they continued to be like that.
Thanks for answering most of those questions. I'll let the developer
community decide if they like them or not :-).
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the issue then it to me the project doesn't
belong in Gentoo nor be included as official.
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(which
minimizes the amount of users). All the servers under rsync.g.o are
strictly controlled by infra.
So nice try ...
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Alec Warner wrote:
So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group
packages and maintaining developers?
I suggest we create a murder of developers! Then we can be cool and not
suck! :-)
/me goes back into lurking mode
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and maintaining developers?
We could be boring and change herd to packagegroup.
Maybe that would stop everyone treating eachother like cattle?
are you just afraid of the farmer in the middle of the nite ?
-mike
Wouldn't you be afraid if I walked up to you in the middle of the night? :-)
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i clearly suck at dates
That's what Jeff said after your date with him. Said goats were better
than you! :-)
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those
issues.
That is all :-)
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/users). Our
-announce list certainly has the historical presence where the most of
our user-base would see something. I guess if this isn't the case, then
I don't see a problem with the new list.
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Marius Mauch wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:30:31 -0500
Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be
posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting)
gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure
rather not create a -core-announce. The amount of times those types
of things come up on the list are rare. It would be easier to have an
standard subject heading (maybe ANNOUNCEMENT:) that people can use in
their filters. If devs start abusing it, then we'll vote them off the
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not practical to
assume we have an infinite amount of space.
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at this
location if we need to make the files more public, but I don't see the
demand to warrant that.
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yays it, hey, folks have spoken and y'all go with the same
non public backup.
I agree. I'm not shutting it down, I'm just stating that I don't see the
demand for creating a service for it. Unless I'm proven wrong, I will
keep my stance on this.
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[1] http://www.gni.com/
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) stuff.
Enjoy :)
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the last word on every
argument (either of you). If neither of you can agree, then just agree
to disagree. *gasp* Yes, that is an option in a technical debate. No
matter what either of you two think is technically right, you're both
right and both wrong.
/me goes back to lurking
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the contact for that
project right now.
Patience is indeed a virtue.
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the software, and testing it to make sure that the
issues that's been occurring have been addressed.
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the constant nagging
helps the situation. The logic escapes me. There are more constructive
ways of finding out the status of a problem/solution.
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on about this anymore. We're working on
the problem, and you just have to be patient.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0500 Lance Albertson
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| There are more constructive ways of finding out the status of a
| problem/solution.
Actually, with that in mind I think the council could be of help here...
The bugs slowdown *is* a serious
Chris Bainbridge wrote:
Hi,
On 03/08/06, Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have no concept of where the bottle neck is. The webserver hosting
the cgi part isn't being loaded hardly at all. The database server is a
pretty beefy box, and again, its not so much a specific hardware
to point to the slave server which is usually not trivial.
It sounds like this is the path the Infra team is pursuing.
1++
You got it right :-)
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, so you can prove me wrong. I
thought we had explained those issues somewhere (maybe -core?).
But yeah, I totally agree.
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? Or that plus the underlying supporting systems that help
run Gentoo?
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?
Opening an ebuild and reading it must be hard.
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Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
snip
And what does this flag exactly say at this point ?
Install only xlib ?
Install xlib and some further ones ? Which ones ?
Install all libs ?
Opening an ebuild and reading it must be hard.
Not what I asked. I'm
Simon Stelling wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
Frankly, the attitude of a lot devs lately towards infra
have made many of us not want to communicate what we're doing. If we're
I can understand that, partly. But that won't help anyone. Assuming
you're not thinking *nobody* outside infra does
Simon Stelling wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
I generally try to do that, but after the 10th time the person doesn't
respect you and demands things from you, its kind of hard to keep that
mentality.
Well, one out of 300. Simply do it for someone else then ;)
And that's what I do. I hope I
and the folks
who prefer the leader-by-committee approach go their way. We all hate
forks, none of us have time for forks, but looking at the dividing line,
I don't see how we'll be able to compromise with out adding more
policies and BS.
Anyways, Donnie++
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:11:52 -0500 Lance Albertson
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| I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but
| the problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of
| quick decisions. Many times things come up that need
Homer Parker wrote:
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 13:14 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
For the record, I was waiting for those folks to come to us to resolve
it. Last I knew we had a partial resolution with the parties involved,
but shortly after that they just stopped pursing it. I figured
with that.
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developers have cvs commit
access (I know you do).
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work so we
can start planning that?
Thanks-
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those first few releases? I'm pretty sure
we can stick them in experimental, but for the long run infra should be
in communication with this group so that we can make an effective plan
on hosting.
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and communication. We want
to make sure that We (gentoo) as a whole can be accountable for a
project that is created. We also want to be informed so that we can
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Ryan Hill wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
From my point of view, it would have been nice to have at least been
asked what infra could do to host these tarballs down the road. That
way, we have a sound plan of doing a good release when they're ready. I
don't like the idea of them springing
Christian Parpart wrote:
On Wednesday 20 April 2005 2:14 pm, Lance Albertson wrote:
Christian Parpart wrote:
And yeah, I disagree to a move-back, too!! I'm most likely not to support
this in any kind, instead, I'd be willing in pushing p.mask'ed apache
httpd 2.1 into the tree, so, that I don't
completely out of
control.
Not everyone uses logrotate (its optional in system now) so they may not want
those files. Thats how I view it at least.
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DONE? THE EARTH IS DMED, I
SAY! DMED!
mwuahahahahahah.
Just remember, I still own you ;-)
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On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 12:04 +0100, Daniel Drake wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
I was actually just thinking about WOLK today and how I never got around
to putting the newest builds in the tree. For now keep them in there.
I'll email upstream to see if whats the status on development for WOLK
category and get those folks to fixing
them. But then that would require a lot of work and I know we're all just a
bunch of lazy bums anyways ;)
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Corey Shields wrote:
On Thursday 05 May 2005 03:06 pm, Lance Albertson wrote:
We could make a couple of bugs for each category and get those folks to
fixing them. But then that would require a lot of work and I know we're all
just a bunch of lazy bums anyways ;)
I smell a new dev
email about a possible way to determine what goes on the mirrors. Maybe
we have a limit at which those devs should ask our mirror admins if the
file can be added or not (say, anything over 200M or 300M). Just an
idea. Mainly, use common sense!
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On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:54 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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Lance Albertson wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the archives [1] are back up for the
trustee mailing list. Its still being worked on, but most of the talk
from the last year
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 18:38 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
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Lance Albertson wrote:
Just thought I'd mention that the archives [1] are back up for the
trustee mailing list. Its
of this
month?
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livetree, sorry). Here is a new list which still consists of 161 items
and should be uptodate:
Probably best to make a bug to track this instead of tracking it on a
ML :)
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haven't had time to search for a bug on
it.
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Gentoo if they find bugs in the process and fix them!
Anyways, you made some great points on where we fall, but I don't think
we should shoot down the idea or potential because some of us don't
think it'd work.
Cheers!
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Gentoo as a 'hobbist' distro use it like
that, and let the people that want to use it in the enterprise use it as
that.
Btw, I'm hoping to get this said sub-project going once I get settled in
with my move and new job. At least get some organization sorted with it.
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serious
last chance !
and it's done
NOooo1!!!
;-)
Thanks for working on that upgrade!
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probably be to post a thread on this mailing
list to get more exposure. Of course, you could include your nickname
for IRC, but this or the forums would be a great place to get 'noticed'
per say if it really would be something to add to Gentoo.
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Gentoo
or something simliar
to that name? If we did that, would we still need the resolution?
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the polls open longer than a week considering the
amount of material we needed to go through, but I didn't get a chance
between things. That's my fault for not addressing that concern.
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me find
seemant and see what he thinks since he's kind of in charge of
bug-wrangler stuff.
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will be affected too, so
complaining on IRC won't do much for ya ;).
There will be another outage for a similar amount of time at 0900UTC on
July 3. I will send out an announcement in a few days as a reminder for
that.
Ok, hopefully I didn't forget any services, enjoy!
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an alias for email contact. If they want to do
more than moderate, thats their will and can take the ebuild quiz for
that or can discuss that with recruiters.
Cheers,
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On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 17:34 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 00:20 +0200, Christian Hartmann wrote:
To host patches, docs etc. Just like every other devs/staff guy does
atm. (Sure. toucan isn't meant to be a download server and we're aware
of this fact.)
Patches
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 03:32 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
* Lance Albertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/06/28 18:14 -0500]:
I'm just getting ansty about all these new people we're bringing
New people? You're joking, aren't you? Some of them are
moderators for even a longer time than you
Wolfgang Illmeyer wrote:[Thu Jun 30 2005, 12:40:21PM EDT]
Calculating dependencies -
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy dev-uitl/kdevelop.
I thought we fixed this problem.
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).
2. This information will be held on the Dev Wiki.
wtf is the Dev Wiki ? what's wrong with metadata.xml ?
Yeah, having it in metadata.xml would make more sense.
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for whatever reason, and since a reply to just that address is required
to get me out of here,
I can't do it.
Gentoo's Infrastructure has its own product in bugzilla for these types
of requests. Please create a new bug there and it will be seen rather
than spamming the list.
Cheers,
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