Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Jacob Godserv
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: man, fix your line length. what a nub you are. Or adjust your mail client. Then you could save yourself the name calling, which changes the mood of the mailing list and causes issues for more people than just your

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Jacob Godserv jacobgods...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: man, fix your line length.  what a nub you are. Or adjust your mail client. Then you could save yourself the name calling, which changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv jacobgods...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: man, fix your line length. what a nub you are. Or adjust your mail client. Then you could save yourself the name calling, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Petteri Räty
On 09/26/2010 07:30 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv jacobgods...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: man, fix your line length. what a nub you are. Or adjust your mail client. Then you

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57:42 Petteri Räty wrote: On 09/26/2010 07:30 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: man, fix your line length. what a nub you are. Or adjust your mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57:42 Petteri Räty wrote: On 09/26/2010 07:30 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:32:49 -0700 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: because he's a stupid nub -mike NO U Is that pronounced 'nub' or 'noob' ? Man I should really go to SCALE next year :X We got the

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:27:50 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: What about newnet. Should we keep it at all? If we do, should we put it behind a use flag which would be off by default? I insist on keeping it as I use it myself. The new approach seems more desktop-targeted to me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Michał Górny wrote: William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: What about newnet. Should we keep it at all? If we do, should we put it behind a use flag which would be off by default? I insist on keeping it as I use it myself. The new approach seems more

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Benedikt Böhm
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi! On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Michał Górny wrote: William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: What about newnet.  Should we keep it at all?  If we do, should we put it behind a use flag which would be off by default? I

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 09/20/2010 11:10 AM, Benedikt Böhm wrote: the same is true for everyone who already runs newnet (like me). in fact, i do not even use the newnet conf.d stuff, but rather take advantage of support for /etc/ifup.eth* in /etc/init.d/network. that way i can configure the networking with

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Anthony G. Basile
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/19/2010 09:22 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 06:05:46AM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:21 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Why can't we keep both? There are strong advantages/disadvantages either way and there are users invested in both new/oldnet. I know this is more work on doc

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Freeman
On 09/20/2010 07:06 AM, Michał Górny wrote: I guess quite a good solution for now might be enabling newnet through an USE flag, being masked in the profile by default. That would satisfy the oldnet compatibility requirement for users, while the small group preferring newnet could still benefit

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Eray Aslan
On 20.09.2010 16:37, Richard Freeman wrote: One argument I've heard against newnet is that you can't bring individual interfaces up and down. openrc[newnet] used to have problems with ppp interfaces. I do not know if it is still the case but there are some open bugs on bugzilla.g.o regarding

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 19, 2010 20:27:50 William Hubbs wrote: I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question. The git repository defaults to building and installing the newnet option, and we make oldnet the default in the ebuild. People migrating from stable will know

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Joshua Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:21 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Why can't we keep both? There are strong advantages/disadvantages either way and there are users invested in both new/oldnet. I know this is more work on doc

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday, September 20, 2010 13:49:08 Joshua Saddler wrote: Wrong. It will. The GDP--that's effectively just me--will already have to rewrite every single one of hundreds of pages of documentation to allow for the new syntax and way of doing things present in the oldnet behavior of OpenRC.

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Benedikt Böhm wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010, Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org wrote: who runs servers: DHCP is uncommon there, WLAN is very unusual, as a result, they would not only have to switch the way they configure their nets (people don't like that kind of

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Tobias Klausmann dixit (2010-09-20, 20:34): On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Benedikt Böhm wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010, Tobias Klausmann klaus...@gentoo.org wrote: who runs servers: DHCP is uncommon there, WLAN is very unusual, as a result, they would not only have to switch the way they

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-20 Thread Dale
Eray Aslan wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:37, Richard Freeman wrote: One argument I've heard against newnet is that you can't bring individual interfaces up and down. openrc[newnet] used to have problems with ppp interfaces. I do not know if it is still the case but there are some open

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-19 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question. The git repository defaults to building and installing the newnet option, and we make oldnet the default in the ebuild. People migrating from stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-19 Thread William Hubbs
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 06:05:46AM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question. The git repository defaults to building and installing the newnet option, and we

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday, September 19, 2010 21:22:06 William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 06:05:46AM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, William Hubbs wrote: I suppose one question I need to ask is the oldnet vs newnet question. The git repository defaults to