Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-21 Thread Terje Kvernes
brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will mess it up. on a unix-system mostly anything you do blindly, as root, will mess up your system. and, on a unix-system, with your eyes open, that mess can be fixed. Every update that

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that any time there's questions about etc-update everyone seems to be hush-hush. I've layed out what my goal is, what I've

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread blade-
Only thing i can say is instead of cp new.cfg old.cfg rm old.cfg u could just mv old.cfg new.cfg Joshua Banks wrote: Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Ben Sparks
why not use etc-update? seems to save much hassle and time for me. On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 02:30, Joshua Banks wrote: Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 13:49, Joshua Banks wrote: Just fishing here..+ acouple of questions. ** My Goal in this posting: Is to learn how-to correctly manually update the files without the use of ect-update. Well, the correct way

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:30:14PM -0700, Joshua Banks wrote: Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to confirm whether or not I'm doing this correctly. It seems that any time there's questions about etc-update everyone

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Thanks for the replies everyone. All the suggestions have helped. JBanks --- Andy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 11:30:14PM -0700, Joshua Banks wrote: Come-on... No fish in the Gentoo pond..tonight I'm not asking for you to hold my hand. I just need someone to

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Ok... So do I goto the list when I'm unsure about differences in files that I'm unsure of. Some of them are common sense type differences but others I'm unsure of like dispatch-conf.conf The new file doesn't have the header at the beginning and there are all sorts of changes that are beyond

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..[Solved]

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Feel pretty silly now :p etc-update Was staring me in the face the whole time begging me to use it...CORRECTLY...that is.. :D JBanks __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and see what is new and then modify one of the files. For example, with make.conf I keep my old and move stuff from the new one to the old. However, with the last baselayout

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Also, when you modify your make.conf file you don't want it overwritten mindlessly. If you notice etc-update will remove all your changes. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:42:59 -0400 Ben Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
--- brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and see what is new and then modify one of the files. For example, with make.conf I keep my old and move stuff from the new one to the

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread nmeyers
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:00:59AM -0400, brett holcomb wrote: Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Also, when you modify your make.conf file you don't want it overwritten mindlessly. If you notice etc-update will remove all your changes.

RE: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Gwendolyn van der Linden
brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Exactly. I would vote for keeping /etc/fstab.example in portage, and making the copying/editing part of the installation procedure (cp /etc/fstab.example /etc/fstab;

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Unless it's a file that I edit and change I let etc-update handle it. I'm not familiar with this file but if you haven't messed with it or a program you use hasn't change it then give it to etc-update. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... So

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
You're welcome! On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 05:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Joshua Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I do it by using my editor (jstar) to show both files - new on top, old on bottom. I then go through and After all they are almost always updated

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will mess it up. Every update that etc-update has wanted to do has wanted to replace my /dev/... with /dev/BOOT and take out my stuff and that would sure hose the system. Other than running it through an editor manually I don't know of

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Ross
*agrees with brett* if I haven't modified the file, I leave all the work up to etc-update :) it isn't much effort looking out for the 4 or 5 files you need to worry about. Ross. On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:33, brett holcomb wrote: If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread brett holcomb
Except for base-layout updates which seem to include /etc/hosts G but even then it was only a few! On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:37:12 +0200 Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *agrees with brett* if I haven't modified the file, I leave all the work up to etc-update :) it isn't much effort looking out

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread nmeyers
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:33:46AM -0400, brett holcomb wrote: If you blindly say update it then etc-update sure will mess it up. Every update that etc-update has wanted to do has wanted to replace my /dev/... with /dev/BOOT and take out my stuff and that would sure hose the system. Other

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
Yes, I replied long ago saying that I now see how to use etc-update correctly. Thanks though. Maybe now you see why I started the other thread about etc-update. I've actually been able to look through the various files that need updating and feel like I need to be a programmer to understand

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Jason Stubbs
There's a lot of talk that pops up in gentoo-dev regarding etc-update. For the time being, etc-update (or dispath-conf for a little protection) is about the best you'll get. Having said that, dispatch-conf *does* do automatic header and white-space merging and can also be set to auto-merge

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Collins Richey
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:24:22 +0200 Gwendolyn van der Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ rest snipped ] I guess the above is true for several other files. Any file that is hard/dangerous to merge automatically should NOT be in portage, but provided as an example or template instead. In some

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Stroller
On 17 Sep 2003, at 1:24 pm, Gwendolyn van der Linden wrote: brett holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you use etc-update on files like /etc/fstab your system will break. Exactly. I would vote for keeping /etc/fstab.example in portage, and making the copying/editing part of the

Re: [gentoo-user] etc-update versus Manual update opinions..

2003-09-17 Thread Joshua Banks
--- Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of talk that pops up in gentoo-dev regarding etc-update. For the time being, etc-update (or dispath-conf for a little protection) is about the best you'll get. Having said that, dispatch-conf *does* do automatic header and white-space