Re: [gentoo-user] Who sets the symlink /dev/rtc = /dev/rtc0 ?

2013-08-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/08/2013 05:30, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [13-08-26 04:35]: 130825 Pavel Volkov suggested: On Sunday 25 August 2013 20:26:32 meino.cra...@gmx.de asked: So...which ghost in my system dares to set the symlink /dev/rtc to point to /dev/rtc0 instead of

Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 26, 2013 8:41 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Mark, hi William, the script ds3231 in /etc/init.d is -- according to rc-update -- set as folows: ds3231 | boot Long and short of it,

Re: [gentoo-user] Who sets the symlink /dev/rtc = /dev/rtc0 ?

2013-08-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/08/2013 05:04, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [13-08-26 04:34]: On 25/08/2013 20:26, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, In the kernel config I set CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE=rtc1 and I grepped through /etc and looked for something

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?

2013-08-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/08/2013 03:52, »Q« wrote: I doubt your wiki page idea will work, it will be just accurate enough to look like it might work and just inaccurate enough to be useless. Which brings you back to the previous paragraph - try emerge nvidia-drivers and if it fails then don't use that kernel.

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 26, 2013 5:06 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/08/2013 21:38, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-18 5:16 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: While we're on the topic, what's the obsession with having different bits of the file hierarchy as different*mount

Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server problem

2013-08-26 Thread Grant
I set up squid on a remote system so I can browse the internet from that IP address. It works but it stalls frequently. I had similar results with ziproxy. I went over this with the squid list but we got nowhere as it seems to be some kind of a system or network

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/08/2013 08:10, Pandu Poluan wrote: The ZFS approach is better - here's the storage, now do with it what I want but don't employ arbitrary fixed limits and structures to do it. +1 on ZFS. It's honestly a truly *modern* filesystem. Been using it as the storage back-end of my company's

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:02:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Eh? *Who* has ZFS? Certainly not the linux kernel. FreeBSD You can get ZFS on Linux with relative ease, you just have to build it yourself. Distros feel they can't redistribute that code. emerge zfs works too :) I really

Re: [gentoo-user] Who sets the symlink /dev/rtc = /dev/rtc0 ?

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 05:30:12 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: There udev-related files under /lib, where I did not search for it. That's where udev's own rules live. I had expected them under /etc... That's where user rules live. I fixed one of the rules and now there is the correct link.

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Mick
On Monday 26 Aug 2013 08:06:13 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:02:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Eh? *Who* has ZFS? Certainly not the linux kernel. FreeBSD You can get ZFS on Linux with relative ease, you just have to build it yourself. Distros feel they can't

[gentoo-user] Questions about java SDK ebuilds for linux

2013-08-26 Thread Wolfgang Liebich
Hi, I'm using GENTOO linux as development platform for Java applications. JAVA 8 is not officially out there, but still I would like to start testing it, and there are early access downloads at the oracle website. Furthermore, the ebuilds for the IBM JDKs seem to be somewhat abandoned - is

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:45:15 +0100, Mick wrote: emerge zfs works too :) I really like the way ZFS just lets you get on with things. Does anyone run it on a desktop/laptop as their day to day fs? Yes. Any drawbacks or gotchas? Other than reliability, how does it perform compared

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:45:15 +0100, Mick wrote: emerge zfs works too :) I really like the way ZFS just lets you get on with things. Does anyone run it on a desktop/laptop as their day to day fs? Yes. Any

Re: [gentoo-user] Is sound broken?

2013-08-26 Thread Mick
On Sunday 25 Aug 2013 16:22:31 Peter Humphrey wrote: Hi list, Today after I had my system down for its weekly backup, on restarting KDE (phonon) said some internal devices had been removed, in particular the default device. And indeed I had no sound. This was with kernel 3.10.7 driving the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.08.2013 10:45, schrieb Mick: Does anyone run it on a desktop/laptop as their day to day fs? Any drawbacks or gotchas? Other than reliability, how does it perform compared say to ext4? Sorry for being shameless: I once described a ZFS-based gentoo setup with encryption for the german

FIXED: [gentoo-user] Is sound broken?

2013-08-26 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 26 Aug 2013 11:51:52 Mick wrote: On Sunday 25 Aug 2013 16:22:31 Peter Humphrey wrote: Hi list, Today after I had my system down for its weekly backup, on restarting KDE (phonon) said some internal devices had been removed, in particular the default device. And indeed I had no

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-25 6:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: You can get ZFS on Linux with relative ease, you just have to build it yourself. Distros feel they can't redistribute that code. I know you can do this as a module - but is there an overlay or patch to get it built directly

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
We now get into choosing hardware for that shiny new gentoo-server ... as mentioned this will be a KVM-host and we look at a HP Proliant DL385p ... 2 AMD Opteron 6344 ... 32 GB RAM, 8 disks (the customer has some bigger contract with hp, so we are a bit biased to hp here). For the server that

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:16:44 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: You can get ZFS on Linux with relative ease, you just have to build it yourself. Distros feel they can't redistribute that code. I know you can do this as a module - but is there an overlay or patch to get it built directly into the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:06:11 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Sorry for being shameless: I once described a ZFS-based gentoo setup with encryption for the german linux magazine. They translated it and it was published in other parts of the world as well: That is pretty shameless. I would

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 26/08/2013 16:38, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:06:11 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Sorry for being shameless: I once described a ZFS-based gentoo setup with encryption for the german linux magazine. They translated it and it was published in other parts of the world

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.08.2013 16:38, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:06:11 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Sorry for being shameless: I once described a ZFS-based gentoo setup with encryption for the german linux magazine. They translated it and it was published in other parts of the

[gentoo-user] Nvidia optimus no signal on external monitor

2013-08-26 Thread du yang
Hi, I've managed to get optimus works on my PC with nvidia property driver. But I got into an issue when trying to extend my screen to an external monitor by using Xrandr. There is no signal in the external monitor but the screen do extended, as mouse and window can be moved outside the visiable

[gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot

2013-08-26 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi, After a few solved problems, I am still unable to completely boot using grub:2, and now I just can't find anything else to fiddle with. So I would really appreciate if someone could take a look at my configuration: - system is amd64; - hard disk partitioning: - two first primary

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 26, 2013 9:02 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: We now get into choosing hardware for that shiny new gentoo-server ... as mentioned this will be a KVM-host and we look at a HP Proliant DL385p ... 2 AMD Opteron 6344 ... 32 GB RAM, 8 disks (the customer has some bigger

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 19.08.2013 22:40, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 19/08/2013 16:20, Alecks Gates wrote: All I do is add one extra line (for example - dracut -H --kver=3.11.0-rc6) to my kernel install procedure. Precisely. It's not hard, it's actually almost automatable. It's vastly simpler than configuring

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.atwrote: Am 26.08.2013 17:51, schrieb Pandu Poluan: 2 smallest disks in RAID1 configuration for booting. Then the 6 disks as JBOD and use it within a RAIDZ2 array. Or, 6 disks in JBOD, add them a 3 ZFS mirror vdev's.

Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot

2013-08-26 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 26.08.2013 17:41, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, After a few solved problems, I am still unable to completely boot using grub:2, and now I just can't find anything else to fiddle with. So I would really appreciate if someone could take a look at my configuration: - system is amd64; -

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.08.2013 17:51, schrieb Pandu Poluan: 2 smallest disks in RAID1 configuration for booting. Then the 6 disks as JBOD and use it within a RAIDZ2 array. Or, 6 disks in JBOD, add them a 3 ZFS mirror vdev's. Interesting suggestion. I don't know if I dare ... I wonder how VMs would

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.08.2013 18:14, schrieb Pandu Poluan: Well... with a ZFS-backed storage, when you want to create a new VM, all you have to do is `zfs clone` ;-) Yes, I see those possibilities ;-) That system will run rather important stuff ... so I have to be rather careful. But the

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.atwrote: Am 26.08.2013 18:14, schrieb Pandu Poluan: Well... with a ZFS-backed storage, when you want to create a new VM, all you have to do is `zfs clone` ;-) Yes, I see those possibilities ;-) That system will run

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-08-26 10:11 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:16:44 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: You can get ZFS on Linux with relative ease, you just have to build it yourself. Distros feel they can't redistribute that code. I know you can do this as a module - but is

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about java SDK ebuilds for linux

2013-08-26 Thread James
Wolfgang Liebich wolfgang.liebich at siemens-enterprise.com writes: Hi, I'm using GENTOO linux as development platform for Java applications. JAVA 8 is not officially out there, but still I would like to start testing it, and there are early access downloads at the oracle website.

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:36:30 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: You can do it. You have to unmask the kernel_builtin USE flag to stop zfs bringing in zfs_kmod, then unpack the sources and run the script to install them into the kernel tree. snip Very interesting, thanks... nice to know it can

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Would be nice if there was a kernel overlay for this... The licensing conflict means that would not be possible. You have the install the kernel source and then merge in the ZFS source yourself, it can't be done for you and distributed. Why do you

Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?

2013-08-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.08.2013 18:35, schrieb Pandu Poluan: I have to admit that my virtualized servers are not running on top of ZFS-backed storage... because the company already has a quite sizable EMC VNX storage, and it's a shame to not use that behemoth... ;-) For sure! :-) At the moment, the

Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot

2013-08-26 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia optimus no signal on external monitor

2013-08-26 Thread James Ausmus
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:56 AM, du yang duyang@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've managed to get optimus works on my PC with nvidia property driver. But I got into an issue when trying to extend my screen to an external monitor by using Xrandr. There is no signal in the external monitor but

Re: [gentoo-user] having problems building webkit-gtk

2013-08-26 Thread covici
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:54 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/08/2013 19:22, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: I have been having problems building webkit-gtk right along through the various

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:30:05 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The licensing conflict means that would not be possible. You have the install the kernel source and then merge in the ZFS source yourself, it can't be done for you and distributed. Why do you believe this? ZFS id doubtlessly

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:30:05 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The licensing conflict means that would not be possible. You have the install the kernel source and then merge in the ZFS source yourself, it can't be done for you and distributed.

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:37:02 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: But the CCDL licence of ZFS precludes its being distributed with the kernel. At least, that's how I understand it and the fact that no distro distributes a ZFS-enabled kernel makes me believe it is true. Did you ever read the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Did you ever read the CDDL? Not completely. You should do it - it is even much shorter then GPLv3 People who believe that there is a problem use a wrong interpretation of the GPL. The CDDL definitely does not prevent combinations with other

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia optimus no signal on external monitor

2013-08-26 Thread du yang
On Tuesday 08/27/13 02:48:38 CST, James Ausmus wrote: Since you're using the proprietary driver, have you tried using the nvidia-settings configuration program to set up the second monitor? Tried, tt can't detect out the external monitor. -- oooO: (..): :\.(:::Oooo::

Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia optimus no signal on external monitor

2013-08-26 Thread James Ausmus
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:16 PM, du yang duyang@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 08/27/13 02:48:38 CST, James Ausmus wrote: Since you're using the proprietary driver, have you tried using the nvidia-settings configuration program to set up the second monitor? Tried, tt can't detect out the

Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-26 Thread Thomas Mueller
On the issue of whether ZFS can be shipped with the Linux kernel, FreeBSD includes ZFS with the kernel, binary and source. So does that mean it would be OK for Linux too? FreeBSD has a different license (BSD) than Linux (GPL 2 or 3). I am not a lawyer! Tom

[gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?

2013-08-26 Thread »Q«
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:02:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/08/2013 03:52, »Q« wrote: I doubt your wiki page idea will work, it will be just accurate enough to look like it might work and just inaccurate enough to be useless. Which brings you back to the

[gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units

2013-08-26 Thread covici
Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it?

Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units

2013-08-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for

Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units

2013-08-26 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by

Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units

2013-08-26 Thread covici
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for