Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Friday 09 Sep 2016 23:25:10 Andrew Lowe wrote: > I've just spent 7 hours in a bottleshop in an entertainment area, > putting up with idiots swearing all night. Now I come home and catch up > on what's happening on this list and what do I get? More drop kicks > swearing their heads off.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 01/09/16 17:01, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: [snip] [snip] ... ... [snip] That is the most stupid dumbass argument I've heard in weeks. It doesn't even

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

Am 08.09.2016 um 00:47 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 08/09/2016 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am 07.09.2016 um 08:18 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >>> On 07/09/2016 01:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 01.09.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: >>

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On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 12:12:07AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > You can disagree as much as you like, but with the size of drives and > the current error rate of consumer hard drives it is not a question of > 'if' but just a matter of 'when'. It's not just the drive; it's the entire PC.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 08/09/2016 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 07.09.2016 um 08:18 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 07/09/2016 01:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 01.09.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon :

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

Am 07.09.2016 um 08:18 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 07/09/2016 01:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am 01.09.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >>> On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 07/09/2016 01:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 01.09.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: >>> 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: >> [snip] >> it will take about 5 seconds to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

Am 01.09.2016 um 11:01 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: >> 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : >>> On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: > [snip] > >>> it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. >>> And a few more to mkfs it. >> Just to

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Sunday 04 Sep 2016 17:48:14 Stroller wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mick wrote: > > Yes, flash drives (unlike spinning drivers) are completely digital. In > > addition, wear levelling algorithms invariably kick in and bits and bytes > > are sprayed all over

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> On 3 Sep 2016, at 17:50, Mick wrote: >> >> I understood that fragmentation can also occur on flash-based disks. >> >> Although the effect of it is not so noticeable, I understood that it still >> has one. > > Yes, flash drives (unlike spinning drivers) are

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On Saturday 03 Sep 2016 16:39:03 Stroller wrote: > > On 2 Sep 2016, at 23:03, Mick wrote: > > > > … a potentially more effective defrag method irrespective of fs > > (we're talking about spinning disks where this issue applies) i > > I understood that fragmentation

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> On 2 Sep 2016, at 23:03, Mick wrote: > > … a potentially more effective defrag method irrespective of fs > (we're talking about spinning disks where this issue applies) i I understood that fragmentation can also occur on flash-based disks. Although the effect of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 07:48:17 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > I use a script to handle my snapshots, so snapshotting multiple > > subvolumes is less of an issue, but an option to snapshot a subvolume > > and all its children, or even the whole filesystem, would be nice. > > > > Note that what I

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:54:40 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> > Bind mounts? I thought you would use btrfs subvolumes! >> > >> >> Often the bind mounts point to btrfs subvolumes. >> >> Yeah, I guess I could directly mount

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On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:54:40 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Bind mounts? I thought you would use btrfs subvolumes! > > > > Often the bind mounts point to btrfs subvolumes. > > Yeah, I guess I could directly mount all those subvolumes, but I find > symlinks or bind mounts easier. The other

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-02 7:23 GMT+03:00 gevisz : > 2016-09-01 11:55 GMT+03:00 Frank Steinmetzger : >> On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:44:19AM +0300, gevisz wrote: >> >>> > Some people do a full systems check (i.e. badblocks) before entrusting a >>> > drive with anything important.

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2016-09-01 11:55 GMT+03:00 Frank Steinmetzger : > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:44:19AM +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > Some people do a full systems check (i.e. badblocks) before entrusting a >> > drive with anything important. >> >> It is a good advice! I have already thought of this but

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 01/09/2016 10:49, gevisz wrote: 2016-09-01 10:30 GMT+03:00 Matthias Hanft : gevisz wrote: But what are disadvantages of not partitioning a big hard drive into smaller logical ones? If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to repair it), *all* of your data is

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:04:22 +0300, gevisz wrote: > > LVM is neither encrypted nor compressed. The filesystems on it are no > > different to the filesystems on physical partitions, and subject to > > the same risks. An LVM logical volume is just a block device that is > > treated the same as a

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2016-09-01 22:12 GMT+03:00 Rich Freeman : > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:58 PM, gevisz wrote: >> 2016-09-01 14:55 GMT+03:00 Rich Freeman : >> >>> 2. Set it up as an LVM partition. Unless you're using filesystems >>> like zfs/btrfs that have their

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2016-09-01 15:51 GMT+03:00 Michael Mol : > > On Thursday, September 01, 2016 12:09:09 PM gevisz wrote: >> 2016-09-01 11:54 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : >> > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:49:43 +0300, gevisz wrote: >> >> > If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:58 PM, gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 14:55 GMT+03:00 Rich Freeman : > >> 2. Set it up as an LVM partition. Unless you're using filesystems >> like zfs/btrfs that have their own way of doing volume management, >> this just makes things

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2016-09-01 15:21 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:09:09 +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > Have you considered LVM? You get the benefits of separate filesystems >> > without the limitations of inflexible partitioning. >> >> I am afraid of LVM because of the same

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2016-09-01 14:55 GMT+03:00 Rich Freeman : > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:04 AM, gevisz wrote: >> >> Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive >> into smaller logical ones and why? >> > > Assuming this is only used on Linux machines (you mentioned moving >

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:27:39 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> > Honestly, I tend not to create separate partitions for separate mount >> > points these days. At least, not on personal systems. For servers, >> > it's can be

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On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:27:39 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Honestly, I tend not to create separate partitions for separate mount > > points these days. At least, not on personal systems. For servers, > > it's can be beneficial to have /var separate from /, or /var/log > > separate from /var, or

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > Honestly, I tend not to create separate partitions for separate mount points > these days. At least, not on personal systems. For servers, it's can be > beneficial to have /var separate from /, or /var/log separate from

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On Thursday, September 01, 2016 12:09:09 PM gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 11:54 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:49:43 +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to > >> > repair it), *all* of your data is lost (instead

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gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : >> On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: >>> I have bought an external 5TB Western Digital hard drive >>> that I am going to use mainly for backing up some files >>> in my home directory and carrying a very big files,

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:09:09 +0300, gevisz wrote: > > Have you considered LVM? You get the benefits of separate filesystems > > without the limitations of inflexible partitioning. > > I am afraid of LVM because of the same reason as described below: > > returning to the "old good times" of MS

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:04 AM, gevisz wrote: > > Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive > into smaller logical ones and why? > Assuming this is only used on Linux machines (you mentioned moving files around), here is what I would do: 1. Definitely create a

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2016-09-01 12:01 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: >> 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : >>> On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: > > [snip] > Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive into

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 01/09/2016 10:44, gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 10:23 GMT+03:00 Frank Steinmetzger : >> On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:13:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. >>> And a few more to mkfs it. >>> >>> Are you sure you aren't thinking of mkfs

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On 01/09/2016 10:59, gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 11:03 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:18:29 +0300, gevisz wrote: >> it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. And a few more to mkfs it. >>> >>> Just to partition - may be, but I very much doubt

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2016-09-01 12:04 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:59:55 +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > You said you wanted to use this drive for backups, >> > surely doing it right is more important than doing >> > it quickly. It's not like you have to hold its hand >> > while

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 11:54 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:49:43 +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to >> > repair it), *all* of your data is lost (instead of just >> > one partition). That's the only disadvantage I can

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 11:55 GMT+03:00 Frank Steinmetzger : > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:44:19AM +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > Some people do a full systems check (i.e. badblocks) before entrusting a >> > drive with anything important. >> >> It is a good advice! I have already thought of this but

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:59:55 +0300, gevisz wrote: > > You said you wanted to use this drive for backups, > > surely doing it right is more important than doing > > it quickly. It's not like you have to hold its hand > > while mkfs is running. > > But I would have to keep my fingers crossed so

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 01/09/2016 09:18, gevisz wrote: > 2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : >> On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: [snip] >> it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. >> And a few more to mkfs it. > > Just to partition - may be, but I very much doubt > that it

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 11:03 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick : > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:18:29 +0300, gevisz wrote: > >> > it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. >> > And a few more to mkfs it. >> >> Just to partition - may be, but I very much doubt >> that it will take seconds to create a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:44:19AM +0300, gevisz wrote: > > Some people do a full systems check (i.e. badblocks) before entrusting a > > drive with anything important. > > It is a good advice! I have already thought of this but I am sorry to > acknowledge that, since the "old good times" of MS

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:49:43 +0300, gevisz wrote: > > If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to > > repair it), *all* of your data is lost (instead of just > > one partition). That's the only disadvantage I can think > > of. > > That is exactly what I am afraid of! > > So, the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 10:30 GMT+03:00 Matthias Hanft : > gevisz wrote: >> >> But what are disadvantages of not partitioning a big >> hard drive into smaller logical ones? > > If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to > repair it), *all* of your data is lost (instead of just >

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 10:23 GMT+03:00 Frank Steinmetzger : > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:13:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. >> And a few more to mkfs it. >> >> Are you sure you aren't thinking of mkfs with ext2 (which did take hours >> for a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:18:29 +0300, gevisz wrote: > > it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. > > And a few more to mkfs it. > > Just to partition - may be, but I very much doubt > that it will take seconds to create a full-fledged > ext4 file system on these 5TB via USB2 connention.

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gevisz wrote: > > But what are disadvantages of not partitioning a big > hard drive into smaller logical ones? If your filesystem becomes corrupt (and you are unable to repair it), *all* of your data is lost (instead of just one partition). That's the only disadvantage I can think of. I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:13:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > it will take about 5 seconds to partition it. > And a few more to mkfs it. > > Are you sure you aren't thinking of mkfs with ext2 (which did take hours > for a drive that size? Some people do a full systems check (i.e. badblocks)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

2016-09-01 9:13 GMT+03:00 Alan McKinnon : > On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: >> I have bought an external 5TB Western Digital hard drive >> that I am going to use mainly for backing up some files >> in my home directory and carrying a very big files, for >> example a

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

On 01/09/2016 08:04, gevisz wrote: > I have bought an external 5TB Western Digital hard drive > that I am going to use mainly for backing up some files > in my home directory and carrying a very big files, for > example a virtual machine image file, from one computer > to another. This hard drive

[gentoo-user] [OT] Is it still advisable to partition a big hard drive?

I have bought an external 5TB Western Digital hard drive that I am going to use mainly for backing up some files in my home directory and carrying a very big files, for example a virtual machine image file, from one computer to another. This hard drive is preformatted with NTFS. Now, I am going to