On 2017-10-12 08:36, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > A more serious problem is how to find all the situations where
> > /usr/local is baked in. It's not as simple as grep because when I
> > could, I relied on the implicit PATH which would be configured
> > somewhere else, or it might not even be
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 02:44:06PM +, James wrote:
The kernel gyrations are all really about something much more important.
*MONEY*
...Commercial distros like Apple's offering are making
billions.
OS X is not a linux distribution.
It uses the xnu kernel, which fuses elements of BSD
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared with the BSD kernels.
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Linux has zero userland visible API 'churn'.
During what timeframe?
There have been massive Linux API breakages in 2004.
Jörg
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j...@cs.tu-berlin.de
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared
On 2011-09-29, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 17:15:34 schrieb Grant Edwards:
Regardless, my point was that Linus's statement that it's unacceptable
to break things seemed rather disingenuous given the API churn that
Linux has compared
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
I am naturally grumpy.
Yeah we've noticed ;) I like reading your posts because you know
stuff, and I like the fireworks.
On Friday 30 September 2011 01:45:39 Adam Carter wrote:
Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Be careful though, being grumpy is dangerously seductive.
It is? You could have fooled me
Sorry - I meant being grumpy is seductive for the grumpy person. Its
pretty much the opposite for the people they interact with, as you
imply.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you,
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am? Then again, does it
Michael Mol wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag 29 September 2011, 01:27:27 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I am naturally grumpy.
Wonder what I am?
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes:
Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver
Am Mittwoch 28 September 2011, 14:44:06 schrieb James:
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes:
Breaking the user experience in order to ???fix??? something
is a totally broken concept; you cannot do it.
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are
On 2011-09-27, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 17:52:24 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
which is your own fucking fault.
Get your drivers into the kernel. Problem solved.
Does gratuitous obscenity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at
it?
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Am Montag 26 September 2011, 20:13:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you
might
find interesting (if you haven't
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code.
On 09/27/11 00:05, Grant Edwards wrote:
Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
update your code for you.
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
are only fixed for
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing customers. Bugs
are only fixed
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Grant Edwards
grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Contribute your drivers upstream. When the devs change an API, they'll
update your code for you.
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel developers don't support any existing
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 04:05:31 schrieb Grant Edwards:
That sounds good, but in practice it doesn't work.
1) The kernel
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Dienstag 27 September 2011, 13:07:02 schrieb Michael Mol:
Except they have drivers which are buggy and require backported fixes.
and that is the reason stable series exist. They are stable and they
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
until they get the software ported forward. Their remaining hardware
of the
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Because, in this case, the hardware, which is unreplaceable, went tits
up. Meaning it no longer works. It can't be replaced, and they're SOL
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I can pretty much promise you that one area likely to get LOTS of
attention in this kernel series IS security updates, at least if they
are
On 2011-09-26, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:37 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
Hi,
Happened upon this interview with Linus Torvalds that some of you might
find interesting (if you haven't seen it already):
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
re-designs of some APIs that happen between minor versions of a
supposedly stable kernel.
We
On 2011-09-27, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 09/26/11 16:13, Grant Edwards wrote:
That's hilarious.
The Linux developers are _constantly_ changing APIs in ways that break
existing device driver code. There are repeatedly wholesale
re-designs of some APIs that happen
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
How do I link to a library I installed using portage?
SNIP
And in this case it was simple once I found the right examples:
nvcc -lta_lib ta-lib-ma.cu -o ta-lib-ma
Sorry for the noise.
Cheers,
Mark
On 2009-04-28, Simon turne...@gmail.com wrote:
Anybody got a suggestion of a software to use on the pda to
access my host and have a nice terminal (ie maybe be able to
bind keys arbitrarily to some character?)
I've heard good things about ConnectBot.
--
Grant Edwards
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:42:33 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
I've heard good things about ConnectBot.
I use that on my G-1 and it's pretty good.
--
Neil Bothwick
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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To use connectbot on your g1 do you need to gain root access?
On Apr 28, 2009 10:52 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:42:33 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: I've heard
good things about Conne...
I use that on my G-1 and it's pretty good.
--
Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:55:07 -0400, Ken Stevens wrote:
To use connectbot on your g1 do you need to gain root access?
No, no more than I need root access to use SSH on any other computer.
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Neil Bothwick
SITCOM: Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage
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Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
Hmm, I guess the output of your script is wrong.
Guess so as well :)
Put this line into the
awk part instead:
{ if (first) { print opts; first=0 }; print \\\n\t/$1\t://host/$1
}
Thx. This
Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Alexander Skwar:
Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Freitag, 1. Juni 2007 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs:
Hmm, I guess the output of your script is wrong.
Guess so as well :)
Put this line into the
awk part instead:
{ if (first) { print
On Saturday 20 January 2007 18:46, James wrote:
Daniel Iliev danny at ilievnet.com writes:
eix -C -c -n media-video | grep -i dvd
That's a pretty cool search string.
If I wanted to search the entire tree, why does this not work?
eix -C -c -n * | grep -i dvd
eix does not expand wildcards
Matt Randolph schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is
an enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and
forget distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to
get it set up just right in
On 9/6/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
The solution would seem to be to either not make the software available
until it has been sufficiently tested so that it does JustWork under
all possible
conditions (which the trained greed of users will not allow), or teach
the user
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
But does the Knoppix user's system have an administrator NOW? I say
it does not. It has been configured by an admin... heck, the OS was
installed to it's filesystem by an admin... but there is no admin
looking over the shoulder of the Knoppix
Matt Randolph wrote:
Mr. Lee's problem is not that he cannot send email. It is that he
cannot send email by the method he has chosen to use because he hasn't
the knowledge necessary to make that method work. I assume he could
probably resort to webmail in a pinch.
If his distribution had
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux. It takes a much stronger reason
than that, at least in my
On 9/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux.
On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 02:11:51PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
My 'disagreement', if there is one, is that a savings of $300 for a
new computer and a $99 Windows upgrade won't convince many people to
learn to do it themselves using Linux. It
Matt Randolph schreef:
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
a good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all of which I agree with,
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who was is said the only truly intuitive user interface is the tit?
Somebody who never had children: babies and moms have to _learn_ how
to nurse, and sometimes aren't able to pull it off.
john.
--
genehack.org * weblog == ( bioinfo / linux /
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's
a good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
snip of Matt's tour-de-force, virtually all
Matt Randolph schreef:
Holly Bostick wrote:
In the Windows world, you don't have to ask yourself is this
software available for my OS? In the Windows world, you buy the
hardware first and then check to see if it's compatible AFTER
you start having trouble getting it to work in your
Holly Bostick wrote:
Matt Randolph schreef:
I don't think Knoppix really has an administrator. It really is an
enduser only flavour of Linux. It's sort of a fire and forget
distro. Sure, someone had to go to a lot of trouble to get it set up
just right in the first place, but once that
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:46:02 -0400
Paul Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Bob,
I found your email really informative and I have a question regarding
one of your final comments. To paraphrase, you state that doing
things the hard way will make employees more knowledgeable, more so
than
Mark Knecht schreef:
To become a Linux user is a commitment. People don't make new
commitments lightly, and making a light commitment to Linux is doomed
to failure. It's far too hard to use.
This is a common 'perception', and yet again I have to object to it,
because it's *wrong* (not for
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:15:26AM -0400, Thomas Kirchner wrote:
This can be a bit daunting, though, so when I was setting it up I
found a fairly good base (taviso's, I believe) and customized the
heck out of it. Now it's perfect for me, and I just can't get rid
of it. I've tried pretty much
050904 Matt Garman wrote:
I did a search for taviso and found his fvwm2rc file:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/fvwm2rc.html
There's also a lot of screenshots (and even a video!) of that desktop.
The video is astonishing ! Fvwm2 looks like great fun, if you have the time.
--
On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more. ;-)
[ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who suggest
that 'it' should 'JustWork' without need for
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:56:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
run desktops they run apps - and because they are so
Uwe Thiem schreef:
On 04 September 2005 11:41, Holly Bostick wrote:
I've tried to stay away from this thread but can't resist any more.
;-)
[ snip a lot of Holly's rant I mostly agree with ]
This is why I can't deal with all the people I encounter who
suggest that 'it' should
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:02:30 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
You're confusing using with administering. Yes, administering a Linux
system takes more knowledge than clicking a few buttons in Windows,
but using a correctly setup system is no harder with Linux, even
Gentoo, than Windows. My partner
On 9/4/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But to use it you have to set it up, right? ;-)
Wrong. someone has to set it up, but it doesn't have to be the user.
Surely...
I'm not confusing administering a system with using a system.
Although my skill set is permanantly
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 14:11:51 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
See, you are the admin, your wife etc. are users. they don't care
about the ins and outs of the system, only what they can do with it.
Fine, but going back to the only thing in the thread that got me
involved (why do I get involved? )
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
necessarily more difficult, just different) is a serious obstacle.
Based on my
On Sep 4, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Bob Sanders wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the
learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not
necessarily more difficult, just
[I just thought I'd chip in my two cents on the question of whether
Linux is easy or hard. It's turned into more like my $11.62, so it's a
good thing it's broken into sections.]
Linux is easy.
That's not to say that it can't be hard. Depending on what you're
trying to do, you may have to
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
PIII, 128 megs of RAM, was still my main machine. The GNOME and KDE
On 9/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:31:28AM -0400, Charles Marcus wrote
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
Blackbox WM here. This goes back to when my 6-year-old Dell, 450 mhz
PIII, 128
I don't run desktops, I run applications.
In general I'll have to take the unpopular position and say I
disagree. All those potential converts are just like you - They don't
run desktops they run apps - and because they are so entrenched with
dollars already spent on Microsoft Windows,
* On Sep 2 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
seems that nobody likes FVWM
Hey, I use FVWM and love it, have for a long time ;) FVWM is small,
ultimately customizable, and can do everything any other WM can do, with
a bit of work. Virtually any dreamable interface is possible with it.
This
IceWM (with ROXFiler if you want Desktop icons, etc)
lightening fast, easy to configure
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Charles
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