Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-07 Thread Dan Farrell
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:06:04 -0400 Steven Lembark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main thing that speeds up the AMD box is using 320MB scsi's for near-term storage. They are hugely faster than [S]ATA or IDE used on most equipment these days. what R/W speeds can you expect? --

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-07 Thread Steven Lembark
Main thing that speeds up the AMD box is using 320MB scsi's for near-term storage. They are hugely faster than [S]ATA or IDE used on most equipment these days. what R/W speeds can you expect? Operations on SCSI run 2-3 times faster for large-ish file transfers (say 1MB or more). For

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-04 Thread Steven Lembark
Dale wrote: Steven Lembark wrote: Well, this one takes longer. Just the foldingathome takes about 20 seconds or more to shutdown. It can take over 60 seconds at times. That service for some reason has to completely shutdown before the others start to shutdown. The others will shutdown

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-04 Thread Steven Lembark
In most cases you'll find that 'shutdown -h now' takes only a few seconds. you must have nice hardware :) He must have. I have a AMD 2500+ CPU with 1Gb of ram. It's not the slowest but not the fastest either. Pair of dual-PIII VA Linux machines, one compute server with twin dual-core

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-04 Thread Dale
Steven Lembark wrote: I have four FAH jobs running on my compute server. I can kill -TERM fah6 in about 0.70 sec here, they start up again and just keep going. FAH is pretty robust when it comes to restarts; again if you crash the proc's then it won't be any worse than the outcome of loosing

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-04 Thread Steven Lembark
I learned a lot with this ordeal. One thing is that the P/S's protection circuit must have worked very well. My mobo is doing just fine so no damage outside of the P/S itself. I also learned that the halt -f -p command should be really fast if this happens again. Keep those thoughts

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Steven Lembark
Basically, this is not intended to be used to shutdown a puter on a regular basis, unless you burn out P/S's on a daily basis. O-o Just didn't want someone to be using this on a regular basis and then wondering why their system has a new nickname, FUBAR. :'( In most cases you'll find

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Dale
Steven Lembark wrote: Basically, this is not intended to be used to shutdown a puter on a regular basis, unless you burn out P/S's on a daily basis. O-o Just didn't want someone to be using this on a regular basis and then wondering why their system has a new nickname, FUBAR. :'( In

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Steven Lembark
Well, this one takes longer. Just the foldingathome takes about 20 seconds or more to shutdown. It can take over 60 seconds at times. That service for some reason has to completely shutdown before the others start to shutdown. The others will shutdown in parallel like I have set up.

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 12:10 -0400, Steven Lembark wrote: In most cases you'll find that 'shutdown -h now' takes only a few seconds. you must have nice hardware :) -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au flannister, n.: The plastic yoke that holds a six-pack of beer

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Dale
Steven Lembark wrote: Well, this one takes longer. Just the foldingathome takes about 20 seconds or more to shutdown. It can take over 60 seconds at times. That service for some reason has to completely shutdown before the others start to shutdown. The others will shutdown in parallel

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-03 Thread Dale
Iain Buchanan wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 12:10 -0400, Steven Lembark wrote: In most cases you'll find that 'shutdown -h now' takes only a few seconds. you must have nice hardware :) He must have. I have a AMD 2500+ CPU with 1Gb of ram. It's not the slowest but not the

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Liviu Andronic
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot). Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq + S + U + O then correct?

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 2. April 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck: You're not shutting down the system in a clean way. You're not? I thought that's the purpose of the whole thing? It's more like

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted. There is actually a Wikipedia page that recommended remembering the word

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:28:29 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted. Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills the SSH daemon and you can't

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Steven Lembark
Liviu Andronic wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot). Since I wanted to shutdown instead of reboot, it would be ALT + SysRq + S + U

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote: Liviu Andronic wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot). Since I wanted to

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote: Liviu Andronic wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote: Liviu Andronic wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command,

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch, 2. April 2008, Steven Lembark wrote: Liviu Andronic wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread darren kirby
quoth the Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:28:29 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: But nobody proposed _not_ to run ALT + SysRq + U, Neil even proposed ALT + SysRq + EISUB, to be sure everything is killed, sync'd and unmounted. Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:57:21 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Yesterday our MythTV backend server crashed 4 times. It hung completely killing X, etc. and I was in need of a good way to bring the machine down. You have X and a keyboard on your MythTV backend? There's no way I could shut mine down

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote: Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place. My power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown. I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are cheap, the components a dying one can take

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote: Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place. My power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown. I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are cheap, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:58:22 -0600, darren kirby wrote: Just don't try to do E or I over an SSH connection. It kills the SSH daemon and you can't reboot the box. You can guess how I learned that one :( Ha. Hopefully the machine wasn't too far away physically. Yards, fortunately :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-04-02 Thread Hal Martin
Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:19:36 -0500, Dale wrote: Folks, keep in mind why I asked this question in the first place. My power supply was frying and I needed a VERY fast shutdown. I'd shutdown and stay shutdown until I could replace the PSU. PSUs are

[gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dale
Hi, I had a problem the other day where I needed to shutdown, like in a real hurry. My power supply was packed up and checking out without paying the bill. I was in KDE and just selected logout then shutdown from the menu. Is there a faster way to shutdown so that at least the file system

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2008/3/28, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I had a problem the other day where I needed to shutdown, like in a real hurry. My power supply was packed up and checking out without paying the bill. I was in KDE and just selected logout then shutdown from the menu. Is there a faster way to

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb ext Dale: Is there a faster way to shutdown so that at least the file system is clean? Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt. HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb ext Daniel Pielmeier: You can try this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Wow, good to know that Wikipedia has it, just in case I don't have kernel sources installed on my Gentoo systems ;-) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs |

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2008/3/28, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb ext Daniel Pielmeier: You can try this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Wow, good to know that Wikipedia has it, just in case I don't have kernel sources installed on my Gentoo systems ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dale
Daniel Pielmeier wrote: 2008/3/28, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb ext Daniel Pielmeier: You can try this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Wow, good to know that Wikipedia has it, just in case I don't have kernel sources

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag, 28. März 2008 schrieb ext Dale: I have never done this before so what if any are the gotcha's with this? None. Anybody ever do it and can tell me how long a shutdown takes? As long as you need to strike the keys.  Also, will this work if I am logged into KDE and in the GUI?

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:51:20 +0100, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot). Alt-SysRq E I S U B is better as it kills running processes first. If you have time, pause between the

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 09:11:53AM +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Anybody ever do it and can tell me how long a shutdown takes? As long as you need to strike the keys. Not really true. I have set my dirty cache timeout to 10 minutes, so it can hold some few hundred megabytes of

Re: [gentoo-user] Emergency shutdown, how to?

2008-03-28 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:51:20 +0100, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: By the way the safest and recommended command, although a bit longish should be ALT+SysRq(or print)+S(ync)+U(mount)+B(Reboot). Alt-SysRq E I S U B is better as it kills running processes first. If you