Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-29 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 04:06:19PM +, James wrote Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes: In your bash profile (if you use bash), howsabout export PS1='[\h][\u][\w]' Actually, I go for a fancy technicolour prompt export

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 02:09:12 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with multiple SSH sessions to different machines, and not using ClusterSSH, I find it most convenient to have a tab for each host, with a screen

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: That sounds nice but is a Bad Idea in the real world where most people judge things by the default setup. Turns off the nice features and 90+% of people trying the software don't see them. Really?, Try that approach at a carrier network support

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:03:30 + (UTC), James wrote: That sounds nice but is a Bad Idea in the real world where most people judge things by the default setup. Turns off the nice features and 90+% of people trying the software don't see them. Really?, Try that approach at a carrier

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 28/01/2014 14:28, Neil Bothwick wrote: Really?, Try that approach at a carrier network support center, where new stuff is rolled out to cutomers without first explaing, warning and offering up options. It's shows a blatant disrespect for the existing customer base. Nobody in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:34:16 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 28/01/2014 14:28, Neil Bothwick wrote: Really?, Try that approach at a carrier network support center, where new stuff is rolled out to cutomers without first explaing, warning and offering up options. It's shows a

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Yes, really. People boot a distro's live CD, maybe install it, and make quick decisions about whether they like it or not. Thats a different opportunity/customer, than one that was a faithful and loyal customer. You cannot treat those (new

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread James
Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes: I went all the way to ICEWM; see my sig. It's been a log time for me with minimal Window Managers. I'm sure I'll get around to testing icewm. In your bash profile (if you use bash), howsabout export PS1='[\h][\u][\w]' Actually, I go for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:35:55 + (UTC), James wrote: Note, I've use a myriad of qt based open source and commercial products on embedded systems. Those efforts do not mirror the attide of the KDE camp, you espouse so well. I've no idea what you are trying to say here. Sure you

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: The question was about desktop usage, it was about moving from KDE to LXDE. How things work in a completely different environment is irrelevant, the rules are different. To Neil and Alan: These examples are trite and are simply and quickly offered

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I take it you compile your own ernel then :) (OOCH)(grin)

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Martin Vaeth
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: To go back to the OP's original point, having hostnames on the tabs also makes it obvious which sessions I have open. If you use an appropriate prompt as I have recommended (which modifies [hard] status line) you see the sessions in the tabs of tmux -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:53:58 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: To go back to the OP's original point, having hostnames on the tabs also makes it obvious which sessions I have open. If you use an appropriate prompt as I have recommended (which modifies [hard] status line) you see the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:44:32 + (UTC), James wrote: To Neil and Alan: These examples are trite and are simply and quickly offered up as examples on each others perspectives, irrespecitve of minutia. Old dogs snarl quite a bit, but do not move off of their haunches, unless sufficiently

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Martin Vaeth
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I haven't used tmux for a while, I tried it and went back to screen, but does it really show the titles of all sessions? On the hardstatus line you see in tmux all sessions with their numbers and their hardstatus line. [More precisely, you see all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:21:33 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I haven't used tmux for a while, I tried it and went back to screen, but does it really show the titles of all sessions? On the hardstatus line you see in tmux all sessions with their

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:11:57 + (UTC), James wrote: I went from duo core AMD systems to FX-8350 with 32 gigs of ram. My bigest adversion/experience with KDE is this. The genius that runs that project, could have developed all of those wonderful ideas, but left them turned off by default.

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I have my lxde/openbox environment mostly setup. One thing I miss is feature rich tabbed terminal session. I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely.

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: you know - I don't give a rat's ass about 'pig' or not, because: I have enough ram. Ram is cheap. 16gb of DDR 1600 ECC costs what? 160€? Cheap. What kind of argument is this? I do not consider it cheap to spend 160 bucks only to waste

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 01:20:59 + (UTC), Martin Vaeth wrote: I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-27 Thread Martin Vaeth
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I suggest that you try tmux (or screen) - this is far superiour to multitab since you can easily also put it to the background or access it remotely Screen and tabs are different solutions to different problems. When working with multiple SSH sessions

[gentoo-user] Re: xterms --featureRICH --suggestions?

2014-01-26 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: you know - I don't give a rat's ass about 'pig' or not, because: I have enough ram. Ram is cheap. 16gb of DDR 1600 ECC costs what? 160€? Cheap. zfs eats so much, the amount KDE is using is negligible. At the moment I run one firefox