Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread tuxic
On 05/02 06:31, Wols Lists wrote: > On 02/05/20 02:42, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > On 05/01 09:27, antlists wrote: > >> On 01/05/2020 09:03, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >>> Hi Wol, > >>> > >>> data copied !:) > >>> > >>> I did a > >>> > >>> mdadm --examine /dev/sdb > >> > >> Except I pointed you

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread tuxic
On 05/02 06:31, Wols Lists wrote: > On 02/05/20 02:42, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > On 05/01 09:27, antlists wrote: > >> On 01/05/2020 09:03, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > >>> Hi Wol, > >>> > >>> data copied !:) > >>> > >>> I did a > >>> > >>> mdadm --examine /dev/sdb > >> > >> Except I pointed you

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread Wols Lists
On 02/05/20 02:42, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > On 05/01 09:27, antlists wrote: >> On 01/05/2020 09:03, tu...@posteo.de wrote: >>> Hi Wol, >>> >>> data copied !:) >>> >>> I did a >>> >>> mdadm --examine /dev/sdb >> >> Except I pointed you at a utility called lsdrv, not mdadm ... :-) >> >> Cheers,

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread Michael
On Saturday, 2 May 2020 09:39:12 BST tu...@posteo.de wrote: > On 05/02 09:49, Andrea Conti wrote: > > > I think, I feel better if I repartitioning/reformat both drives, > > > though. > > > > It's not necessary, but if it makes you feel better by all means do so. > > > > > *GPT/MBR > > > From a

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread tuxic
On 05/02 09:49, Andrea Conti wrote: > > I think, I feel better if I repartitioning/reformat both drives, > > though. > > It's not necessary, but if it makes you feel better by all means do so. > > > *GPT/MBR > > From a discussion based on a "GPT or MBR for my system drive" in > > conjunction

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-02 Thread Andrea Conti
> I think, I feel better if I repartitioning/reformat both drives, > though. It's not necessary, but if it makes you feel better by all means do so. > *GPT/MBR > From a discussion based on a "GPT or MBR for my system drive" in > conjunction with UEFI it was said, that GPT is more modern and >

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread tuxic
On 05/01 05:32, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 1 May 2020 17:00:56 BST Andrea Conti wrote: > > > GPT is fine too, but for a 1TB disk with a single partition it has > > absolutely > > zero advantage over MBR. > > I can think of one or two people who might demur there. > > -- > Regards, >

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread tuxic
On 05/01 09:27, antlists wrote: > On 01/05/2020 09:03, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > Hi Wol, > > > > data copied !:) > > > > I did a > > > > mdadm --examine /dev/sdb > > Except I pointed you at a utility called lsdrv, not mdadm ... :-) > > Cheers, > Wol > Hi Wol, Ouuouud...oh damn!

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread antlists
On 01/05/2020 09:03, tu...@posteo.de wrote: Hi Wol, data copied !:) I did a mdadm --examine /dev/sdb Except I pointed you at a utility called lsdrv, not mdadm ... :-) Cheers, Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday, 1 May 2020 17:00:56 BST Andrea Conti wrote: > GPT is fine too, but for a 1TB disk with a single partition it has absolutely > zero advantage over MBR. I can think of one or two people who might demur there. -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread Andrea Conti
A very *#BIG THANK YOU#* for all the great help, the research and the solution. I myself am back in "normal mode" :) You're welcome! What is the most reasonable setup here: GPT without any hybrid magic and ext4 because it is so common? I would go with MBR and a single ext4 partition. GPT is

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
On 2020-05-01 09:18, tu...@posteo.de wrote: A very *#BIG THANK YOU#* for all the great help, the research and the solution. I myself am back in "normal mode" :) Glad it helped! One thing remains... I want to prevent this kind of hassle in the future... ;) The most important thing to keep

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread tuxic
On 05/01 03:59, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > On 04/30 08:32, antlists wrote: > > On 30/04/2020 18:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > I copied the first 230GB of that disk to an empty partition of my new > > > system and run "testdisk" on itafter the analysis it came back > > > with "this partition

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread tuxic
On 05/01 08:52, Andrea Conti wrote: > > > does my posting from this morning reached you ? > > ...I did not received anything back from the mailinglist... > > Nope. Just this night's response to Wol. > > (hmmm...ok, two send good news two times is not that bad in this times, I think... ;) Hi

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-05-01 Thread Andrea Conti
does my posting from this morning reached you ? ...I did not received anything back from the mailinglist... Nope. Just this night's response to Wol.

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
On 04/30 10:47, Wynn Wolf Arbor wrote: > On 2020-04-30 22:21, Andrea Conti wrote: > > It won't, as long as it recognizes it as a protective MBR. Which is the > > right thing to do, as a disk with a protective MBR and no valid GPT is > > inherently broken. > > True. It was more my intention to

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
On 04/30 08:32, antlists wrote: > On 30/04/2020 18:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > I copied the first 230GB of that disk to an empty partition of my new > > system and run "testdisk" on itafter the analysis it came back > > with "this partition cannot be recovered" but did not sau. whether the

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
On 2020-04-30 22:21, Andrea Conti wrote: It won't, as long as it recognizes it as a protective MBR. Which is the right thing to do, as a disk with a protective MBR and no valid GPT is inherently broken. True. It was more my intention to depict what the system "should" do in order to access

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Andrea Conti
> Since the disk was only ever accessed through an operating system that knew > solely about MBR, the GPT data meant nothing to it. It happily wrote data > past the MBR headers. Because the protective MBR is positioned before GPT > information, the primary GPT header was destroyed and most

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
Hi Meino, On 2020-04-30 21:46, tu...@posteo.de wrote: I had booted into my old system, attached the disks and both show the same behaviour: Only the device itself (/dev/sdb) was recognized. Now that is very curious. Just to make sure, the old system definitely does not understand GPT?

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
Hi Wolf, thanks for your great input again! (see below) On 04/30 09:27, Wynn Wolf Arbor wrote: > All the following assuming that the disk was originally partitioned as GPT, > but after that exclusively accessed as an MBR disk. > > > PT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.5 > > > > Caution: invalid main

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread antlists
On 30/04/2020 18:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote: I copied the first 230GB of that disk to an empty partition of my new system and run "testdisk" on itafter the analysis it came back with "this partition cannot be recovered" but did not sau. whether the reason is a partition table, which is broken

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
All the following assuming that the disk was originally partitioned as GPT, but after that exclusively accessed as an MBR disk. PT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.5 Caution: invalid main GPT header, but valid backup; regenerating main header from backup! This makes sense since the GPT backup at

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
On 04/30 03:44, Andrea Conti wrote: > Hi, > > > > CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y > > > CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y > > > CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y > > That's all you need. > > > This could be the key. Sector sizes have been changing from 512 to 4096 > > over many years. If your kernel has been updated

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
Hi Meino, Thanks very much for the info. At this point I'm convinced you're running into the problem Andrea described in another reply in this thread - best to follow up there :) -- Wolf

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
Hi Wolf thank you very much for your analysis ! :) On 04/30 03:10, Wynn Wolf Arbor wrote: > Hi, > > On 2020-04-30 13:17, Wols Lists wrote: > > All I can suggest is to check the kernel and see if it's an option that > > has been disabled (512-byte sectors, that is). > > As far as I know the

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Andrea Conti
Hi, CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y That's all you need. This could be the key. Sector sizes have been changing from 512 to 4096 over many years. If your kernel has been updated to expect/use 4096 byte sectors, it might not be able to read the

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wynn Wolf Arbor
Hi, On 2020-04-30 13:17, Wols Lists wrote: All I can suggest is to check the kernel and see if it's an option that has been disabled (512-byte sectors, that is). As far as I know the kernel still uses 512 bytes internally [1], and I do not recall having seen an option that enables or

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wols Lists
On 30/04/20 11:36, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > But than I have the same problem another way around: I can > no longer access my new system ... due to the different > sector size > > Are there any other ways to fix this problem? All I can suggest is to check the kernel and see if it's an option

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
On 04/30 10:55, Wols Lists wrote: > On 30/04/20 10:32, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > Hi, > > > > recently I switched from the old MBR-scheme to GPT on > > my new PC. > > > > I have two external USB-harddisk, which were partioned/formatted with > > a MBR-scheme/MSDOS partition (but were never used

Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread Wols Lists
On 30/04/20 10:32, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > recently I switched from the old MBR-scheme to GPT on > my new PC. > > I have two external USB-harddisk, which were partioned/formatted with > a MBR-scheme/MSDOS partition (but were never used to boot from. They are pure > data containers). >

[gentoo-user] Trouble with backup harddisks

2020-04-30 Thread tuxic
Hi, recently I switched from the old MBR-scheme to GPT on my new PC. I have two external USB-harddisk, which were partioned/formatted with a MBR-scheme/MSDOS partition (but were never used to boot from. They are pure data containers). When I connect these to my new PC, only the device is shown: