On Thursday 17 December 2009 00:25:43 Dale wrote:
Hearing they use old code is not to surprising actually. Look at air
traffic control. Every time they try to upgrade, it crashes. I guess
the cheapest bidder is not always the best. o_O
Every such crash after an upgrade I
On Wednesday 16 December 2009 01:34:33 Dale wrote:
A real world scenario would be a bank server doing transactions. Those
big irons do never ever get shut down.
(But they also don't ever get really updated ;)
Did you know, that they still use cobol-code from decades ago. The code
has
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wednesday 16 December 2009 01:34:33 Dale wrote:
A real world scenario would be a bank server doing transactions. Those
big irons do never ever get shut down.
(But they also don't ever get really updated ;)
Did you know, that they still use cobol-code from decades
On 12/11/2009 08:00 PM, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time
Daniel Troeder wrote:
On 12/11/2009 08:00 PM, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Saturday 12 December 2009 21:42:13 Dale wrote:
And some would also argue that cycling power on and off is actually bad
for the rig as well. Keeping things at a constant temp is better than
fluctuating temps. The old expanding and contracting of material
argument.
On Sonntag 13 Dezember 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Saturday 12 December 2009 21:42:13 Dale wrote:
And some would also argue that cycling power on and off is actually bad
for the rig as well. Keeping things at a constant temp is better than
fluctuating temps. The old expanding and
=== On Sat, 12/12, Dale wrote: ===
Your mileage may vary tho.
===
I have an IBM hard disk (IBM DMVS09V) that has been running for 9 years
non-stop.
Device: IBM DMVS09V Version: 0100
Serial number: F801275875
SMART Health Status: OK
Manufactured in week 01 of year 1999
Of
Keith Dart wrote:
=== On Sat, 12/12, Dale wrote: ===
Your mileage may vary tho.
===
I have an IBM hard disk (IBM DMVS09V) that has been running for 9 years
non-stop.
Device: IBM DMVS09V Version: 0100
Serial number: F801275875
SMART Health Status: OK
Manufactured
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Willie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not
rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Willie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not
rebooted to much. I
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 06:32:58AM +0100, Penguin Lover Volker Armin Hemmann
squawked:
and what is the advantage? Why do you keep your computer running, wasting
energy? Is there any good reason?
I travel a lot. It is convenient to have a server to serve my e-mail
and personal files. There
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Well, in the winter time, I run folding and it adds a little extra heat
to my room.
isolation is a lot cheaper on the long
Willie Wong wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 06:32:58AM +0100, Penguin Lover Volker Armin Hemmann
squawked:
and what is the advantage? Why do you keep your computer running, wasting
energy? Is there any good reason?
I travel a lot. It is convenient to have a server to serve my e-mail
On 12/12/2009 2:42 PM, Dale wrote:
And some would also argue that cycling power on and off is actually
bad for the rig as well. Keeping things at a constant temp is better
than fluctuating temps. The old expanding and contracting of material
argument. Sort of strange that computers that run
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Willie Wong wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 06:32:58AM +0100, Penguin Lover Volker Armin
Hemmann squawked:
and what is the advantage? Why do you keep your computer running,
wasting energy? Is there any good reason?
I travel a lot. It is
On Sonntag 13 Dezember 2009, Marcus Wanner wrote:
On 12/12/2009 2:42 PM, Dale wrote:
And some would also argue that cycling power on and off is actually
bad for the rig as well. Keeping things at a constant temp is better
than fluctuating temps. The old expanding and contracting of
=== On Sat, 12/12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ===
except that is a myth and harddisk vendors say that modern desktop
harddisks are not built for 24/7 usage.
===
Right. That's why I always buy high-end server disks. It's worth it if
you plan to use your system for a long time.
-- Keith Dart
Keith Dart wrote:
=== On Sat, 12/12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ===
except that is a myth and harddisk vendors say that modern desktop
harddisks are not built for 24/7 usage.
===
Right. That's why I always buy high-end server disks. It's worth it if
you plan to use your system for a
On Saturday 12 December 2009 21:42:13 Dale wrote:
And some would also argue that cycling power on and off is actually bad
for the rig as well. Keeping things at a constant temp is better than
fluctuating temps. The old expanding and contracting of material
argument. Sort of strange that
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an
error messages if the corresponding library is currently in use.
How does portage succeed anyway.
(I have the suspicion that it does not succeed always, since
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an
error messages if the corresponding library is currently in use.
How does portage succeed
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an
error messages if the corresponding library is currently in
On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Many thanks Alan,
so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used,
isn't it?
No, not at all, you conclude wrongly.
Unix works the way it does precisely so you *don't* require a reboot to use
new libraries.
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an
error messages if the
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote:
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
When installing a dynamic library (by
2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com:
On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Many thanks Alan,
so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used,
isn't it?
No, not at all, you conclude wrongly.
Unix works the way it does precisely so
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new
kernel.
And these days, not even then :-)
[it requires some voodoo but is certainly possible]
[[and I
Mickaël Bucas wrote:
2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com:
On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Many thanks Alan,
so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used,
isn't it?
No, not at all, you conclude wrongly.
Unix
Daniel Troeder wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote:
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).
On Freitag 11 Dezember 2009, Daniel Troeder wrote:
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote:
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new
kernel.
And these days, not even then :-)
[it requires some voodoo but is
On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote:
Mickaël Bucas wrote:
From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it.
I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem.
You may have to switch to run level 1 to restart some important
services like udev.
Actually, you can kill udev and
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new
kernel.
And these days, not even
On Friday 11 December 2009 18:33:49 Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote:
Mickaël Bucas wrote:
From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it.
I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem.
You may have to switch to run level 1 to restart some
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 18:33:49 Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote:
Mickaël Bucas wrote:
From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it.
I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem.
You may have to switch
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new
On Friday 11 December 2009 21:00:49 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
I have also wondered why a person would go to all that trouble.
Wouldn't all the services have to be restarted anyway?
Nope. userspace ABI is stable so services just
On Friday 11 December 2009 20:54:46 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Now do you understand why my refusal to reboot my machines willy-nilly is
entirely rational? It's because they are not my laptop.
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not
rebooted to much. I
On 12/11/09 11:00, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote:
Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a
technical stand point, the only time you
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 21:00:49 Dale wrote:
That would be cool of you had a system that just couldn't be rebooted.
Is there such a thing tho? What would be the reason a machine just
could not be rebooted? I guess one would be if the puter was on planet
Mars maybe?
Dale wrote:
One reason I mentioned the Mars thing, I recall them having a puter on
Mars or something that had a hiccup and they thought they had lost it.
Somehow it just popped itself back up tho. I guess it was trying to
find some code that did work and finally did. I remember them saying
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted
to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot.
Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes, read my sig please.
That is the server formerly
pk wrote:
Dale wrote:
One reason I mentioned the Mars thing, I recall them having a puter on
Mars or something that had a hiccup and they thought they had lost it.
Somehow it just popped itself back up tho. I guess it was trying to
find some code that did work and finally did. I
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Willie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted
to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot.
Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes,
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote:
Willie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not
rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot.
Ahem! While we are busy comparing
Willie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted
to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot.
Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes, read my sig please.
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