Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:47:54 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > Understood, and thanks Mike, I really look forward to reading whatever > you can provide. I realize that I'm gonna have to take this plunge > eventually, and would rather not wait until I'm forced to... That was my feeling a year or so ago.

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-15 9:37 AM, m...@trausch.us wrote: On 02/15/2012 07:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can read code/scripts and understand all or even some of what is happenin

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/15/2012 07:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the > average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can > read code/scripts and understand all or even some of what is happening) > or write my own scripts, etc... > > Al

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-02-14 6:19 PM, m...@trausch.us wrote: >> >> If you're interested, I can detail a history for you, and explain why >> GRUB 1 was discontinued and why the whole thing was restructured in >> detail.  I can't right now, as I am about to get

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:19:47 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > What I would prefer is a detailed yet simple 'How-To' aimed at the > average user rather than the hacker (in other words, don't assume I can > read code/scripts and understand all or even some of what is happening) > or write my own scripts

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-02-14 6:19 PM, m...@trausch.us wrote: If you're interested, I can detail a history for you, and explain why GRUB 1 was discontinued and why the whole thing was restructured in detail. I can't right now, as I am about to get on a conference call, but I can certainly do so later tonight o

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread ny6p01
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:29:26PM +0100, Andrea Conti wrote: > > PS: If you know how to get rid of any background image, could you > > say how? > > Remove or comment out any "splashimage" directives from the config file. > > *** > > Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 06:47 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: > FYI Gentoo's GRUB 0.9x in portage has supported GPT for at least 2 or > 3 years now. I'm using it with GPT partitions and my systems all boot. > :) Not all distributions do. I have been running GPT for quite some time, while I only switched to Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, m...@trausch.us wrote: > It also supports partition schemes other than MBR, which is useful > since I use GPT on my systems. FYI Gentoo's GRUB 0.9x in portage has supported GPT for at least 2 or 3 years now. I'm using it with GPT partitions and my systems all boo

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 03:57 PM, LK wrote: > First, why do we need that much code? First, are you talking about source or binary code? If you're talking about source code, then realize this: Not all that source is even compiled on your system. As to the source that *is* compiled on your system, there is

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:29:26 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote: > I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a > configuration that is so convoluted that it *has to* be generated by > running a set of scripts makes no sense at all. No it doesn't. so thankfully, outside of your FUD, this i

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:57:03 +0100, LK wrote: > > I'm not sure how that translates to being more complex. If you are > > averse to change, just say so and be done with it. Is it different? > > Oh, yes, absolutely. It couldn't be better if it were the same, could > > it? ;-) > First, why do w

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 21:42, m...@trausch.us wrote: > On 02/14/2012 02:29 PM, Andrea Conti wrote: >> Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is >> better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. >> >> I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a >> configur

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, m...@trausch.us wrote: > On 02/14/2012 02:04 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> A detailed elaboration would be nice. >> >> A contrasting migration guide, complete with the how's, where's and >> why's would be awesome. (Once one's invested in understanding a tool, >> a 1-2-

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 02:29 PM, Andrea Conti wrote: > Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is > better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. > > I don't need a freakin' whole OS to boot linux, and having a > configuration that is so convoluted that it *has to* be gener

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 02:04 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > A detailed elaboration would be nice. > > A contrasting migration guide, complete with the how's, where's and > why's would be awesome. (Once one's invested in understanding a tool, > a 1-2-3-itsmagic walkthrough is very discomforting.) While there are

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Andrea Conti
> PS: If you know how to get rid of any background image, could you > say how? Remove or comment out any "splashimage" directives from the config file. *** Re grub2: as long as grub0 works, I really don't care if grub2 is better, cleaner, shinier, more modern or anything else. I don't need a fr

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, m...@trausch.us wrote: > On 02/14/2012 01:40 PM, LK wrote: >> >> On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: >>> On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? Does that matter(it is boot, no netwo

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 01:40 PM, LK wrote: > > On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: >> On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: >>> BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? >>> Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? >> GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is sti

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Alecks Gates
On Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM, "LK" wrote: > > > On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: > > On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: > >> BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? > >> Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? > > GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.x

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 19:24, m...@trausch.us wrote: > On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: >> BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? >> Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? > GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is still the default in > Gentoo. In order to u

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread m...@trausch.us
On 02/14/2012 01:08 PM, LK wrote: > BTW: So is grub0 still supported by gentoo / maintained by themselves? > Does that matter(it is boot, no network stuff) ? GRUB Legacy (that is, GRUB versions 0.xx) is still the default in Gentoo. In order to use GRUB 2 (that is, GRUB version 1.99 in Portage) yo

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread LK
On 120214, at 18:53, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 14.02.2012 18:36, schrieb james: >> Googling around, I get the impression >> that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that >> correct? >> [...] > Because it is still in development hell, it has > not reached version 2.00. BTW: So is grub0 still supported by g

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Stefano Crocco
Il giorno Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:36:28 + (UTC) james ha scritto: > Googling around, I get the impression > that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that > correct? > > In portage I see grub-static > (GRUB Legacy boot loader) > with version numbers that coincide with > "grub" (grub2 ?). > > If grub2 has r

Re: [gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.02.2012 18:36, schrieb james: > Googling around, I get the impression > that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that > correct? > > In portage I see grub-static > (GRUB Legacy boot loader) > with version numbers that coincide with > "grub" (grub2 ?). > > If grub2 has replaced "grub-1" what (gentoo)

[gentoo-user] grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread james
Googling around, I get the impression that 'grub' is now grub 2. Is that correct? In portage I see grub-static (GRUB Legacy boot loader) with version numbers that coincide with "grub" (grub2 ?). If grub2 has replaced "grub-1" what (gentoo) version number did grub2 first take take? What was the