Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it?

2014-08-13 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 09:20:59 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 12/08/2014 21:00, J. Roeleveld wrote: On 12 August 2014 20:21:03 CEST, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 12.08.2014 um 16:10 schrieb J. Roeleveld: On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 03:38:15 PM Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 08:38, J. Roeleveld wrote: The good thing about php is that everyone and their dog can knock out running code. The bad thing about php is that they do. Not PHP's fault, lazy developers' fault. I disagree. It starts with the language. If a language makes it trivially simple

Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE4: How cab I disable Restart and Shut down buttons?

2014-08-13 Thread Johannes Geiss
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:33:21 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming you want to disable the functionality for one user, this disables both the functionality *AND* the buttons (they show up grayed out): $ cat /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/10-no-restart-shutdown.rules

Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it?

2014-08-13 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed 13 Aug 2014 03:10:22 AM EDT, Alan McKinnon wrote: Bash is also like that, omfg; bash seems to have been designed to make decent code fundamentally impossible to write... I mean, if you're trying to write anything more than a screenful in Bash you should definitely use Ruby or Python

Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 14:18, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: On Wed 13 Aug 2014 03:10:22 AM EDT, Alan McKinnon wrote: Bash is also like that, omfg; bash seems to have been designed to make decent code fundamentally impossible to write... I mean, if you're trying to write anything more than a screenful in

[gentoo-user] Do I really need kernel support for ppp?

2014-08-13 Thread gottlieb
(I use gnome, hence systemd. I have no modem, except the cable modem.) network-manager requires ppp and the latest version of ppp (just installed by today's update world) wants me to add ppp support to my kernel. I can certainly do so; is that considered advisable? If so must I do it right

Re: [gentoo-user] Do I really need kernel support for ppp?

2014-08-13 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 08:42:57 AM gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: (I use gnome, hence systemd. I have no modem, except the cable modem.) network-manager requires ppp and the latest version of ppp (just installed by today's update world) wants me to add ppp support to my kernel. I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Do I really need kernel support for ppp?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 14:42, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: (I use gnome, hence systemd. I have no modem, except the cable modem.) network-manager requires ppp and the latest version of ppp (just installed by today's update world) wants me to add ppp support to my kernel. I can certainly do so; is that

Re: [gentoo-user] Do I really need kernel support for ppp?

2014-08-13 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Aug 13 2014, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 13/08/2014 14:42, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: (I use gnome, hence systemd. I have no modem, except the cable modem.) network-manager requires ppp and the latest version of ppp (just installed by today's update world) wants me to add ppp support to

[gentoo-user] Re: Do I really need kernel support for ppp?

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-13, gottl...@nyu.edu gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: (I use gnome, hence systemd. Oh my. You have my condolances on both counts. ;) I have no modem, except the cable modem.) network-manager Ouch. Another thorn... requires ppp and the latest version of ppp (just installed by today's

Re: [gentoo-user] distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. But I do not remember ever seeing any types of

[gentoo-user] distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. But I do not remember ever seeing any types of files other than compressed tar files in /distfiles/ Now I have (sampling):

Re: [gentoo-user] distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:07:19 + (UTC), James wrote: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. It contains everything downloaded by ebuilds. But I do not

Re: [gentoo-user] distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 13 August 2014 15:07:19 James wrote: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. But I do not remember ever seeing any types of files other than

[gentoo-user] app-forensics/aide

2014-08-13 Thread James
Howdy, It purports to be a better file integrity checker than tripwire; it even supports using postgresql for very large needs. There is a scant list of files suggested in the aide docs to generate the initial md5 records of these (critically) monitored files. [1] snip # Next decide what

[gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. It contains everything downloaded by ebuilds. I guess our ebuilds are

[gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
Peter Humphrey peter at prh.myzen.co.uk writes: On Wednesday 13 August 2014 15:07:19 James wrote: maybe I need to return to cleaning up distfiles/ by hand? Yes, I see I have other things than .tar.bz2 too, now you mention it. One of my boxes runs http-replicator to serve distfiles to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 13.08.2014 um 18:46 schrieb James: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. It contains everything downloaded by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 13.08.2014 um 18:55 schrieb James: Peter Humphrey peter at prh.myzen.co.uk writes: On Wednesday 13 August 2014 15:07:19 James wrote: maybe I need to return to cleaning up distfiles/ by hand? Yes, I see I have other things than .tar.bz2 too, now you mention it. One of my boxes runs

[gentoo-user] OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running Gentoo -- so feel free to ignore this thread or throw things at me. I'm trying to figure out how to synchronize threads which may be in different

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Andrés Becerra Sandoval
2014-08-13 12:21 GMT-05:00 Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running Gentoo -- so feel free to ignore this thread or throw things at me. I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Andrés Becerra Sandoval
2014-08-13 12:36 GMT-05:00 Andrés Becerra Sandoval andres.bece...@gmail.com: 2014-08-13 12:21 GMT-05:00 Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-08-13 12:21 GMT-05:00 Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running Gentoo -- so feel free to ignore this thread or throw things at me. You're

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-13, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: 2014-08-13 12:21 GMT-05:00 Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: Without knowing what you're doing, this sounds like a bad idea; if you *need* to synchronize threads, why aren't they running in the same process? I'm trying to

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-13, Andrés Becerra Sandoval andres.bece...@gmail.com wrote: In short: Withouth the use of the lock, the condition variable and a shared variable in concert you can get in trouble! That is often true, but 1) I don't have a shared variable that I want to associate with the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 04:55:47PM +, James wrote Now that I'm looking, it looks like a policy decision for the devs to formally evaluate. /distfiles/ should not be a dir for garbage, one-off-files and other such nonsense. It was (circa 2004 for me) a repository for compressed sources.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed 13 Aug 2014 03:23:21 PM EDT, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2014-08-13, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: 2014-08-13 12:21 GMT-05:00 Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com: Without knowing what you're doing, this sounds like a bad idea; if you *need* to synchronize threads, why

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:46:19 + (UTC), James wrote: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. It contains everything downloaded by ebuilds. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:55:47 + (UTC), James wrote: Now that I'm looking, it looks like a policy decision for the devs to formally evaluate. /distfiles/ should not be a dir for garbage, one-off-files and other such nonsense. That's exactly what it is for. One-off files that the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 19:21, Grant Edwards wrote: This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running Gentoo -- so feel free to ignore this thread or throw things at me. I'm trying to figure out how to

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-13, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: I may have to stick with sockets when I want to block until some event happens. To be clear, do you want to block or sleep/yield until an event happens? I don't see the difference -- isn't that what a blocking call does:

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-13, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/08/2014 19:21, Grant Edwards wrote: This is not Gentoo specific, and while I'm doing my prototyping and development on a Gentoo system, the eventual target is not going to be running Gentoo -- so feel free to ignore this thread

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 18:46, James wrote: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I previously thought that /usr/portage/distfiles only contains tar files. I have not clean up the system, as I'm moving (dupicating some files for my /usr/local/ needs. It contains everything downloaded by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 22:28, Grant Edwards wrote: Have you considered a really simple solution like dbus? I don't know if I would call dbus really simple. :) My current implementation uses Unix domain sockets (which is what dbus usually uses, isn't it?), and I'm trying to figure out how to reduce

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 18:55, James wrote: Peter Humphrey peter at prh.myzen.co.uk writes: On Wednesday 13 August 2014 15:07:19 James wrote: maybe I need to return to cleaning up distfiles/ by hand? Yes, I see I have other things than .tar.bz2 too, now you mention it. One of my boxes runs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: pthreads condition variable/mutex question

2014-08-13 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed 13 Aug 2014 04:19:19 PM EDT, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2014-08-13, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: I may have to stick with sockets when I want to block until some event happens. To be clear, do you want to block or sleep/yield until an event happens? I don't see the

[gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: Any other idiotic ideas? Hey, JUST GO FUCK OFF! If you cannot respondd in a cilized form, then PLEASE Just ingnore the post ASSHOLE! James

[gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Now that I'm looking, it looks like a policy decision for the devs to formally evaluate. /distfiles/ should not be a dir for garbage, one-off-files and other such nonsense. That's exactly what it is for. One-off files that the ebuild downloads,

[gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: maybe I need to return to cleaning up distfiles/ by hand? eclean options distfiles Yea, I very familiar with cleaning up distfiles, tools and manually The tools never seems to be 100% effective before. Maybe we can get systemd to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 21:35:47 + (UTC), James wrote: That's exactly what it is for. One-off files that the ebuild downloads, uses and then no longer needs. Nothing in $DISTDIR is needed by a running system. Ok so anything needed for a build of a particular package goes into

[gentoo-user] Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage

2014-08-13 Thread Walter Dnes
Going from 3.12.13 to 3.14.14 using make old config and then the standard build (64 bit). At the DEPMOD stage near the very end I get... DEPMOD 3.14.14-gentoo /usr/src/linux-3.14.14-gentoo/scripts/depmod.sh: line 57: 27721 Segmentation fault $DEPMOD $@ $KERNELRELEASE $SYMBOL_PREFIX

[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel 3.14.14 build failure at DEPMOD stage

2014-08-13 Thread walt
On 08/13/2014 03:51 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: Going from 3.12.13 to 3.14.14 using make old config and then the standard build (64 bit). At the DEPMOD stage near the very end I get... DEPMOD 3.14.14-gentoo /usr/src/linux-3.14.14-gentoo/scripts/depmod.sh: line 57: 27721 Segmentation fault

[gentoo-user] Anybody running gnome3 in a virtualbox gentoo guest?

2014-08-13 Thread walt
Because I'm paranoid, I update my virtualbox ~amd64-gentoo-guest machine every day *before* I update my (real hardware) production machine. (The definition of production is left as an exercise for the reader.) Not long ago I noticed that the vbox guest machine failed to start a gnome session

[gentoo-user] Intermittent USB device failures

2014-08-13 Thread Mike Edenfield
I've recently taken an old Windows XP system and rebuilt it to run Gentoo. Since then, I've been having issues using any type of USB input device (which is particularly bad, since it has no PS/2 input ports). After some indeterminate period of time, the input device simply stops responding.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody running gnome3 in a virtualbox gentoo guest?

2014-08-13 Thread Lin Xiao
On 08/14/2014 09:32 AM, walt wrote: Because I'm paranoid, I update my virtualbox ~amd64-gentoo-guest machine every day *before* I update my (real hardware) production machine. (The definition of production is left as an exercise for the reader.) Not long ago I noticed that the vbox guest

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody running gnome3 in a virtualbox gentoo guest?

2014-08-13 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:32 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Because I'm paranoid, I update my virtualbox ~amd64-gentoo-guest machine every day *before* I update my (real hardware) production machine. (The definition of production is left as an exercise for the reader.) Not long ago I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 23:35, James wrote: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: Now that I'm looking, it looks like a policy decision for the devs to formally evaluate. /distfiles/ should not be a dir for garbage, one-off-files and other such nonsense. That's exactly what it is for. One-off

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: distfiles contains extra files?

2014-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 13/08/2014 23:48, James wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: maybe I need to return to cleaning up distfiles/ by hand? eclean options distfiles Yea, I very familiar with cleaning up distfiles, tools and manually The tools never seems to be 100% effective