[gentoo-user] Re: The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/03/12 06:11, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: This item just appeared after eix-sync: HTPC ~ # eselect news read 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking Title udev-181 unmasking AuthorWilliam Hubbswilli...@gentoo.org Posted2012-03-16

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Andrea Conti
This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of udev =181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr. [...] Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. The problem, if you really want to call this

[gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-17 Thread Dale
Howdy, This is sort of weird. I upgraded my kernel to gentoo's 3.2.9. When I rebooted, I noticed some odd issues with permissions. When I try to log into Konsole or some other root access program, I get something like this: The program 'su' could not be found. Ensure your PATH is set

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system I ever saw. What's so good about it? What will it do for me? I have this horrible

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello Bruce, Thanks for the heads up. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:11:23AM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: This item just appeared after eix-sync: udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19. Why is he in such a hurry? For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL:

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 4:00 AM Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote: This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of udev =181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr. [...] Happy Computer Users,

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 7:59 AM Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello Bruce, Thanks for the heads up. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:11:23AM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: This item just appeared after eix-sync: udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19. Why is he in such a hurry? For

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or =sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr. Ok, I have never

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 17/03/2012 14:50, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or =sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be sure any initramfs you create

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 11:19, Dale wrote: The program 'su' could not be found. Ensure your PATH is set correctly. What does 'echo $PATH' give you? /bin should be in your path (that's where 'su' is located, or should be)... My $PATH looks like this:

RE: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-17 Thread Mike Edenfield
Walter Dnes wrote: The instructions for replacing udev with mdev are now up at http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ validator.w3.org complains about a couple of extensions I used, but it appears to work OK in both Firefox and Midori. Any comments from users of other browsers? The page will be

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-17 Thread Graham Murray
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Ok, so my system has 2 network cards. Maybe I only use one of them, or maybe they need to be physically connected in a certain way (one to LAN, the other WAN). In this particular case, it is pity that it is not more deterministic in the first

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-17 Thread Mick
On Saturday 17 Mar 2012 13:13:25 Mike Edenfield wrote: Walter Dnes wrote: The instructions for replacing udev with mdev are now up at http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ validator.w3.org complains about a couple of extensions I used, but it appears to work OK in both Firefox and Midori. Any

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote: genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me. just emerege genkernel and then use genkerenl --menuconfig all it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel compiling. you have instructions on how to use

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Jarry
On 17-Mar-12 13:50, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or =sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be sure any initramfs you create

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:33:55 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I also have a rule on a headless media server to run a script that mounts a USB stick, copies files to it, unmounts it and lets me know when it is done. I can mark files for copying at any time and my wife can

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:27:02 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Alan, the vast majority of Linux users

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:  This item just appeared after eix-sync: HTPC ~ # eselect news read 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking  Title                     udev-181 unmasking  Author                    William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads Up - sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20120127084908 might break your system -- openvpn still fails

2012-03-17 Thread felix
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 02:32:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I've anyone is hit by this and doesn't have a way to download an older version anymore, the solution is fairly simple: ln -s /bin/ifconfig /sbin/ /etc/init.d/net.lo restart /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart rm

Re: [gentoo-user] Where does /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight come from?

2012-03-17 Thread Grant
[snip] I have to enter 'echo 0 /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness' again every time xlockmore comes on.  Does anyone know what's going on there? - Grant Strangely, this isn't required unless xlockmore has been running for at least a few minutes. Does it sound like this is

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:  This item just appeared after eix-sync: HTPC ~ # eselect news read 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking  Title                    

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP 1) Unmasking udev-181 doesn't mean it becomes stable, so I am assuming (for now) that since I run stable Gentoo this won't directly effect

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put everything on one partition and go on. I will not use an initramfs if I can get away with it. -- #163933

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put everything on one partition and go on. Yes, let's do away with partitions

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Samstag, 17. März 2012, 20:40:02 schrieb pk: On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put everything on one partition and go

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same. This news item in no way applies to you and you are completely unaffected. You can safely

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread pk
On 2012-03-17 21:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: seriously, you have seemed to miss some news. There is a move by redhatco to move almost everything from / to /usr. With nothing left than some mountpoints - why put / on its own partition? There is nothing to contain apart from /etc.

Re: [gentoo-user] mdev for udev substitution instructions web page is up

2012-03-17 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/17/2012 03:51 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: The page will be permanently under construction, i.e. evolving as we find out more about how mdev works. Unless you want to maintain total control of the data flow I would suggest turning that page into a new wiki page at https://wiki.gentoo.org/ to

[gentoo-user] Re: The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread »Q«
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same. 4) I am going to look at doing a dual boot Gentoo install on some system here at home

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same. This news

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system I ever saw. What's so good about it? What

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't.  I hope systemd arrives

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 17:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect most

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 18, 2012 8:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mar 18, 2012 8:48 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: snip [...] * It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that this is a bad thing): Using systemd, the same configurations/techniques work the same

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-17 Thread Dale
pk wrote: On 2012-03-17 11:19, Dale wrote: The program 'su' could not be found. Ensure your PATH is set correctly. What does 'echo $PATH' give you? /bin should be in your path (that's where 'su' is located, or should be)... My $PATH looks like this:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't. I hope systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 18, 2012 9:44 AM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: snip [...] * It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that this is a bad

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: But again, remember that I'm biased: I keep an overlay to run Gentoo systems with only systemd; no OpenRC, no baselayout, no SysV. You guys can try it if you want:

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 9:11 AM pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: That's what gives you permission to use 'su' as a member of the 'wheel' group ('su' is controlled by 'pam'). Best regards Peter K Am I eternally confused? su - change user ID or become superuser It's not _only_ to become

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: But again, remember that I'm biased: I keep an overlay to run Gentoo systems with only systemd; no OpenRC, no baselayout, no

Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Android != Linux (in context of userspace) To get a phone shipped with a running Linux (in the usual definition of Linux, not Richard Stallman's) you need that Nokia one that will never again see the light of day.

[gentoo-user] Power management or something?

2012-03-17 Thread Grant
I have a fresh install of Gentoo on my laptop and I'm having some trouble with the backlight that I think is related to the screen going into some sort of power save mode or something along those lines. Are there power management settings somewhere or something similar? I'm on xfce4. - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short term I couldn't determine how mdadm was numbering the RAID so that I could

[gentoo-user] Assistance if possible

2012-03-17 Thread Colleen Beamer
Hi, All of you guys that are more experienced and technical than I am will probably laugh at me. However Today, I wanted to update my computer. I got all kinds of messages related to kde stuff. One my one, I unmerged the offending packages and added the line to my package.keywords file

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

2012-03-17 Thread Bruce Hill, Jr.
On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: