Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread J. Roeleveld
Florian Philipp wrote: >Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 >> Grant wrote: >> >>> I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a >new >>> host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll >>> probably choose a mac

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.12.2012 07:23, schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 > Grant wrote: > >> I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new >> host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll >> probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:18 -0800 Grant wrote: > I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new > host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll > probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of > complications does that add to set up and/

[gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 13, 2012 12:10 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 > Bruce Hill wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: > > > > > > Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating > > > NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped > > > man

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:26:02 -0600 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: > > > > Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating > > NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped > > many fledling embedded linux hacks get embedded > > linux running on

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab questions

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/12/2012 05:09 PM, Grant wrote: >> >> at roughly the time specified in /etc/crontab. If any of those >> directories contain scripts, they're run in "alphabetical" order, i.e. >> how `ls` would sort them. > > Thanks Michael. I'd like to have more control over when the commands > are run. May

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
> Problems with using embedded kernels as a base... > > * they use uclibc, which has some APIs that differ from glibc. This > could break Flash, proprietary video driver binary blobs, and who > knows what else. > > * they generally use busybox symlinks in place of most core utils. The > b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote > My most sincerest hope is that we take the embedded > gentoo efforts from the the embedded gentoo handbook, > and integrate them into the regular Gentoo handbook. > The distro that does this will be king of the distros! > > http://www.gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Colleen Beamer
On 12/12/12 18:04, Rod Smart wrote: > Just check that you didn't accidentally mark the relevent Emails as > junk/spam, and as they come in, they get removed as if they are spam :/ Oddly enough, the two responses to my e-mail landed in my Inbox. I thought of what you are suggesting, Rod, and as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Rod Smart
Just check that you didn't accidentally mark the relevent Emails as junk/spam, and as they come in, they get removed as if they are spam :/ Sent from my ASUS Pad Colleen Beamer wrote: >Hi, > >Recently, I cleared out some "gentoo-user" e-mail from Firefox and now >it seems that Thunderbird i

Re: [gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Mark Knecht
Not sure if you're looking for a response but the mail made it to the list. - Mark On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Colleen Beamer wrote: > Hi, > > Recently, I cleared out some "gentoo-user" e-mail from Firefox and now > it seems that Thunderbird is automatically deleting any gentoo-user > e-mai

[gentoo-user] Just Testing

2012-12-12 Thread Colleen Beamer
Hi, Recently, I cleared out some "gentoo-user" e-mail from Firefox and now it seems that Thunderbird is automatically deleting any gentoo-user e-mail when it arrives in my inbox. The address is still in my personal address book, but not in my collected address so, I'm not sure what is going on.

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab questions

2012-12-12 Thread Grant
> > Is there a way to remove "Cron " from the subject line of > > crontab mail without piping each cron job to 'mail'? > > > > I set 'usermod -c hostname root' on each of my systems so that the From: > > line displays "hostname" for crontab mail. This works on each system > > except the mail serve

Re: [gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread William Kenworthy
Best would be to delete/move the module for that hardware, and de-configure it from the kernel. or remap ethX manually using /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules BillK On Wed, 2012-12-12 at 22:12 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > On Wednesday 12 December 2012 09:51 PM, James wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David W Noon wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about >> "[gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks": >> >>>For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5" VFAT disk) >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:55:53PM +, James wrote: > Bruce Hill happypenguincomputers.com> writes: > > > > Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system > > replaced > > by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. > > Your problem defined: > > http:/

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Francesco Turco
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 14:18, Alan McKinnon wrote: > You are wrong, the docs and the man pages are correct. > > The problem is that the word "set" is used in two different ways, one > loosely and the other with reference to an exact construct. > > portage-2.2 introduced the concept of "a define

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Bruce Hill happypenguincomputers.com> writes: > Wish my Samsung Galaxy S could have it's piece of crap Android system replaced > by arm-linux -- if not it will drive me back to an iPhone. Your problem defined: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/05/03/yep-its-pretty-likely-the-galaxy-s-iii-wont-

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.12.2012 10:40, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:16:58 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > >> I personally see no reason for encrypting root as there is nothing of >> interest in there. > > No passwords in /etc? The main reason I encrypt / is that wicd keeps its > passwords in /et

[gentoo-user] crossdev, alternate root, and build dependencies

2012-12-12 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
I am trying to understand and use crossdev to build Gentoo for my Raspberry Pi, and I have a couple of questions. I was able to successfully build a toolchain:: crossdev -S -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi This correctly installed binutils, gcc, glibc, and linux-headers:: equery list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:05:30PM +, James wrote: > > Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating > NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped > many fledling embedded linux hacks get embedded > linux running on many different flavors of ARM > processors. > > RUSSELL is KING, a

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-12 Thread James
Alan McKinnon gmail.com> writes: > > > 68k -> POWER > > > POWER -> Intel > > > Intel -> ARM Ah, you've made progress! > the 6502 doesn't count Alan, one of the keenest reasons ARM is dominating NOW, is that in the early 1990 one person, helped many fledling embedded linux hacks get embedded

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about > "[gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks": > >>For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5" VFAT disk) > > Floppies are normally formatted as FAT12, not VFAT. Eh. I've

Re: [gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Wednesday 12 December 2012 09:51 PM, James wrote: > > Hello, > > OK so I'm now running udev-196-r1; booting fine now. > > upon reboot: > net.eth0 [ stopped ] > net.eth3 [ started ] > netmount [ stopped ] > sshd [ stopped ] > > eth0 is the mobo ethernet port, a

[gentoo-user] netmount; sshd borked

2012-12-12 Thread James
Hello, OK so I'm now running udev-196-r1; booting fine now. upon reboot: net.eth0 [ stopped ] net.eth3 [ started ] netmount [ stopped ] sshd [ stopped ] eth0 is the mobo ethernet port, and it is fried. I have not used it in years. eth3 is an add on 100M ethernet

[gentoo-user] Re: udev: boot failure

2012-12-12 Thread James
Nilesh Govindrajan nileshgr.com> writes: > It's not a udev problem. You need to recompile your kernel with > devtmpfs support. > It can be found in device-drviers -> generic driver options. Yep, fixed now. Gotta catch up on my gentoo readings. thx, James

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Of course, all this assumes that your version of portage supports > @preserved-rebuild > > To use it, you simply notice the portage message right at the end of an > emerge and run "emerge @preserved-rebuild" - it's just a regular

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:53:01PM +0100, Francesco Turco wrote: > Hello. > > A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook > I found some references of the "world" set in emerge commands, as > opposed to "@world": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 > > The

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Randy Barlow
Alan McKinnon wrote: The portage man page has unfortunately also used the word "set" for a different reason. Portage has always had a concept of "world" (not @world) and "system" (not @system) which were really "just a bunch of stuff that happens to pop out of portage because it's hard-coded that

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/12/2012 06:53 AM, Francesco Turco wrote: > Hello. > > A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook > I found some references of the "world" set in emerge commands, as > opposed to "@world": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 > > The bug was closed as

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-12 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:59:52 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote about "[gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks": >For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5" VFAT disk) Floppies are normally formatted as FAT12, not VFAT. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] ===

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:53:01 +0100 Francesco Turco wrote: > Hello. > > A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation > Handbook I found some references of the "world" set in emerge > commands, as opposed to "@world": > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 > > The bug

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread design [depois das dez]
Can I recapitulate the routine? So it should be something like that: layman -S emerge --sync emerge -DuN world emerge @preserved-rebuild emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild eclean distfiles -t=2w eclean packages -t=2w dispatch-conf elogv Right? But this script could not be run automatically because

[gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-12 Thread Francesco Turco
Hello. A couple of weeks ago I filed a bug because in the Installation Handbook I found some references of the "world" set in emerge commands, as opposed to "@world": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445184 The bug was closed as invalid, and I was told that: > sets with the @ prefix are a

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:36:10 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > After using Gentoo for close to two years, the only time/place I've > ever even seen @preserved-rebuild is in this thread. Yet you say, > "Portage will warn you when the set is [it] non-empty, telling you to > run emerge @preserved-rebuild."

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:16:58 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > I personally see no reason for encrypting root as there is nothing of > interest in there. No passwords in /etc? The main reason I encrypt / is that wicd keeps its passwords in /etc. -- Neil Bothwick DOS never says "EXCELLENT comman

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:05:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > is run every morning with my first cup of coffee. If something were > > changed or left off that alias do you suppose this mysterious > > @preserved-rebuild would be run? > > No, you would likely never see it. Your alias runs revdep-r

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 06:36:47PM +0100, Frank Steinmetzger wrote > * I???m interested in the question of -O2 vs. -Os. > Some sources say -Os is bad, b/c it breaks debugging and is mainly > untested. I won???t do heavy developing on it anyway, and Atoms do > have a puny cache. So I wonder

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-12 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 12.12.2012 02:40, schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 09:20:55PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > >>> * From my observations, the benefit of 64 bit over 32 is much smaller for an >>> Atom than it is for my Core2. Am I right to assume thus that the Atom >>> architecture doe