Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any.
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06-Sep-13 17:13, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:01 AM, Jarry wrote: after the last update I noticed that emerge --depclean removed virtual/mta, mail-mta/ssmtp und net-mail/mailbase. Does it mean mailer is no more part of system? I hope devs know what they are doing. I always thought every *nix system must have mailer. But now, there is not even /var/spool/mail on my Gentoo. That's strange... It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Need help: Filesystem (ext4) corrupted!
2013/9/3 meino.cra...@gmx.de Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com [13-09-04 02:08]: Em 03/09/2013 13:12, meino.cra...@gmx.de escreveu: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au [13-09-03 17:16]: On 03/09/13 11:26, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au [13-09-03 05:08]: On 03/09/13 10:45, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: walt w41...@gmail.com [13-09-03 04:15]: On 09/02/2013 09:15 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: The rootfs and $HOME of my embedded system is stored on a 16GB SD-card (about 5GB used, rest free). The FS is ext4. Since the system hangs for unknown reasons several times Does it hang at a predictable point, like during boot, or poweroff? I know almost nothing about SD cards (yet). Do they develop bad blocks like other storage media? I notice fsck.ext4 has a -c flag to check for bad blocks. No, it hangs while compiling or while updateing (eix-sync; emerge ...). I did the following now: I did a binary image backup with dd of the sdcard. I made a backup of the all files from the bad fs with tar. I say YES to fsck to fix what it found. I made another backup of the all files from the bad fs with tar. I md5summed both tar archives and found them identical. Now...is the conclusion correct, that the identical md5sum indicate, that the fixed error of the fs only had impact to already invalidated data? Or whatelse could this indicate? Best regards, mcc PS: What come mind just in this moment: Can I ran fsck on an binary image of the fs which I made with dd somehow? Have you run out of inodes? - ext 4 has had very mixed success for me on solid state. Running out of inodes is a real problem for gentoo on smaller SD cards with standard settings. BillK Does this error message from fsck indicate that? I am really bad in guessing what fsck tries to cry at me ... ;) solfire:/rootfsck.ext4 -f -p /dev/sdb2 rootfs: Inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found. rootfs: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) [1]18644 exit 4 fsck.ext4 -f -p /dev/sdb2 Is there any way to correct the settings from the default values to more advances ones, which respect the sdcard size of 16GB *without* blanking it...a correction on the fly so to say??? And if not: Is there a way to backup the sdcard and playback the files after reformatting it by preserving all three time stamps of the files (atime is deactivated via fstab though) ? Best regards, mcc df -i - if you get 100% iUSE or near to it thats your problem ... I have seen that error message you give as a result of running out of inodes corrupting the FS. No, your only way out is to copy (I use rync) the files off, recreate the fs with max inodes (man mke2fs) and rsync the files back. Once an ext* fs has been created with a certain number of inodes its fixed until you re-format. I get it happening regularly on 4G cards when I forget and just emerge a couple of packages without cleaning up in between packages. On 16G cards, its compiling something like glibc or gcc that uses huge numbers of inodes at times. On a single 32G card I have, the standard settings have been fine ... so far :) Billk df -i gives the following: rootfs 971040 352208 618832 37% / /dev/root971040 352208 618832 37% / devtmpfs 63420434629861% /dev tmpfs 63456389630671% /run shm 63456 1634551% /dev/shm cgroup_root 63456 6634501% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/mmcblk0p10 00 - /boot You mentioned rsync to backup... I used sudo tar cvf backup file root of embedded system the rootfs has only one partition... Is it alos ok to use tar or is there any drawback? Best regards, mcc There are some parameters for creating a better backup archive using tar, like --same-owner and --atime- preserve. By the way, it would be an interesting project to export some folders on your home computer using nfs, tuneling it through ssh, monting it locally in your embedded computer, and applying an unionfs to the rootfs. Just dreaming, of course. Góod luck Francisco Hi Francisco, as I understand the man page, --same-owner is only activ while extracting a tar: --same-owner create extracted files with the same ownership while extracting I always use --preserve like
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 09/06/2013 11:01 AM, Jarry wrote: Hi Gentoo-users, after the last update I noticed that emerge --depclean removed virtual/mta, mail-mta/ssmtp und net-mail/mailbase. Does it mean mailer is no more part of system? I hope devs know what they are doing. I always thought every *nix system must have mailer. But now, there is not even /var/spool/mail on my Gentoo. That's strange... It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in.
[gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
Hi Gentoo-users, after the last update I noticed that emerge --depclean removed virtual/mta, mail-mta/ssmtp und net-mail/mailbase. Does it mean mailer is no more part of system? I hope devs know what they are doing. I always thought every *nix system must have mailer. But now, there is not even /var/spool/mail on my Gentoo. That's strange... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. The change happened in the cron eclass: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15r2=1.16 From the commit log: Per extensive discussion with zmedico about removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will follow, leaving mta support optional. The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, just the sending of emails fails. Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install ssmtp by hand. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
130906 Jarry wrote: after the last update I noticed that emerge --depclean removed virtual/mta, mail-mta/ssmtp und net-mail/mailbase. From my home-made list of installed pkgs I have : W 130420 mail-client/mutt-1.5.21-r12 [ USE ] W 120918 mail-filter/procmail-3.22-r10 120909 mail-mta/ssmtp-2.64-r2 [for procmail vixie-cron : USE ] W 130727 net-mail/fetchmail-6.3.26-r1 130120 net-mail/mailbase-1.1 [for vixie-cron ssmtp] 130216 virtual/mta-1 [for vixie-cron gnupg procmail] The use flags I used are : mail-client/mutt USE=smtp mail-mta/ssmtp USE=mta So you need to remerge procmail vixie-cron mutt or equivalents. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0 it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ; 10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06-Sep-13 18:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA. Just can't send mails. So if mdadm detects failed drive in raid1 and I do not get mail about it, I will discover it at least when the 2nd drive fails. That's a relief... Why is there no global use-variable mta? Why not even local for packages that might use mailer? This goes completely against Gentoo-principles, if user has to search which other packages are required and install them manually. Is it not what we have use-flags for? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06/09/2013 18:45, Jarry wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA. Just can't send mails. So if mdadm detects failed drive in raid1 and I do not get mail about it, I will discover it at least when the 2nd drive fails. That's a relief... Why is there no global use-variable mta? Why not even local for packages that might use mailer? This goes completely against Gentoo-principles, if user has to search which other packages are required and install them manually. Is it not what we have use-flags for? Relax Jarry, take a chill-pill. It's Friday and weekend is almost here. Let me point out the mistakes you have made. You ran emerge --depclean blindly and let it do $WHATEVER. Or, you didn't read the output and notice it was about to nuke the mta. You assume and hope that you will always have a mailer. You didn't check if it really was in @system, or in the profile, or set by a USE flag. The mta just happened to be there, and you just assumed. Turns out it's there because the cron eclass just happened to think it was a good idea. It changed it's mind. cron is not part of @system either. You had to emerge it yourself, and that just happened to bring along an mta. If you wanted sendmail or postfix instead of ssmtp, you would have had to do that manually too. Just emerge the mta of your choice and put it in world. Then ask for the docs to be updated. Or, seeing as it's now a wiki, edit the docs yourself. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
Am 06.09.2013 18:45, schrieb Jarry: On 06-Sep-13 18:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA. Just can't send mails. So if mdadm detects failed drive in raid1 and I do not get mail about it, I will discover it at least when the 2nd drive fails. That's a relief... If you wan't to get mails from mdadm install an an MTA. Is that so hard to understand? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06-Sep-13 18:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. The change happened in the cron eclass: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15r2=1.16 From the commit log: Per extensive discussion with zmedico about removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will follow, leaving mta support optional. The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, just the sending of emails fails. Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install ssmtp by hand. Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron job wrote something to STDOUT. That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. If you want a print server, install a print server. Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. If I want syslog-support, I add syslog to USE. If I want ssl-support, I add ssl to USE. If I want perl-support, I add perl to USE. If I want mta-support, I add... wait, no! I can not add mta to USE, I have to install mta manually... Got the picture now? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0 it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ; 10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ? Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd. Support for gphoto2 in digikam is optional, I belive; the easiest solution is to USE=-gphoto2. If you are willing to spend a little time investigating, I bet you can install gphoto2 without systemd, but you need to see what is pulling it. My bet would be PolicyKit. The thing is, GNOME 3 now need systemd. Therefore, a lot of GNOME packages are setting their defaults dependencies to pull packages in such a way that systemd is one of them. If you don't use GNOME, but install one of its packages (or something that pulls something else from GNOME), you can pull *by default* systemd. However, I'm pretty sure you can configure out systemd without too much problem (if you don't use GNOME 3, that is). I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd. In fact, I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it. Could you mask sys-apps/systemd and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again? It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. The change happened in the cron eclass: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15r2=1.16 From the commit log: Per extensive discussion with zmedico about removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will follow, leaving mta support optional. The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, just the sending of emails fails. Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install ssmtp by hand. Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron job wrote something to STDOUT. That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. If you want a print server, install a print server. Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. The days of classic Unix servers representing what a Gentoo system should be are long gone. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. No incompatibility, and I never said that. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running with systemd as PID=1. I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, I haven't used it in years. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On 06/09/2013 20:07, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ;
10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ?
Yes, I think it is.
Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ...
... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd.
I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it.
Could you mask sys-apps/systemd
and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again?
It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it.
It wants k3b , which requires USE=udisks, which pulls in 11 pkgs.
It also wants eudev , a qt update various CD stuff.
That starts to add up towards the 54 pkgs, which are still needed.
The whole list it demands is
USE=plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils.
I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop,
so perhaps the requirement for plasma is what gets it started.
No, KDE doesn't depend on systemd (AFAIK). And it's funny that it
wants eudev AND systemd.
Regards.
This config does not pull in systemd (LINGUAS removed for clarity)
$ eix digikam
[I] media-gfx/digikam
Available versions: (4) 3.2.0^t (~)3.3.0^t
{addressbook aqua debug doc gphoto2 +handbook mysql themedesigner
+thumbnails video}
Installed versions: 3.3.0(4)^t(11:41:42 15/08/2013)(gphoto2
handbook mysql thumbnails video -addressbook -aqua -debug -doc
-themedesigner
Homepage:http://www.digikam.org/
Description: Digital photo management application for KDE
I think your problem is USE=gudev, which on my system is used by
sys-fs/udev and virtual/udev. Yours will be different (equery hasuse
only lists USE for installed apps).
most likely is that you have a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev and
sys-fs/eudev. Remember all the pain we had to go through a while back to
discover they must match exactly? Very easy to miss that, especially as
portage doesn't help detect mismatches.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0 it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ; 10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ? Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ... ... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd. I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it. Could you mask sys-apps/systemd and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again? It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it. It wants k3b , which requires USE=udisks, which pulls in 11 pkgs. It also wants eudev , a qt update various CD stuff. That starts to add up towards the 54 pkgs, which are still needed. The whole list it demands is USE=plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils. I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop, so perhaps the requirement for plasma is what gets it started. No, KDE doesn't depend on systemd (AFAIK). And it's funny that it wants eudev AND systemd. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0 it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ; 10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ? Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ... ... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd. I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it. Could you mask sys-apps/systemd and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again? It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it. It wants k3b , which requires USE=udisks, which pulls in 11 pkgs. It also wants eudev , a qt update various CD stuff. That starts to add up towards the 54 pkgs, which are still needed. The whole list it demands is USE=plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils. I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop, so perhaps the requirement for plasma is what gets it started. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building that one up.] On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the mask. Is it the case that 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 or 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will stay at 3.6? In other words can I eliminate my file /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 with all the 3.8 builds? Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or systemd. This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. No incompatibility, and I never said that. Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running with systemd as PID=1. I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, I haven't used it in years. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4 requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome without systemd. You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
2013/9/6 Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com On 06-Sep-13 18:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/** profiles/base/packages?view=**loghttp://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. The change happened in the cron eclass: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/** eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15r2=**1.16http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15r2=1.16 From the commit log: Per extensive discussion with zmedico about removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will follow, leaving mta support optional. The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, just the sending of emails fails. Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install ssmtp by hand. Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron job wrote something to STDOUT. That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. If you want a print server, install a print server. Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. If I want syslog-support, I add syslog to USE. If I want ssl-support, I add ssl to USE. If I want perl-support, I add perl to USE. If I want mta-support, I add... wait, no! I can not add mta to USE, I have to install mta manually... Got the picture now? The gnome USE does not install Gnome for you. Sorry for that. Jarry -- __**__**___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote: most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev sys-fs/eudev. I don't have eudev installed. (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. (5) then I see : sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod) virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod) Adding -kmod to the USE list gets 54 pkgs, incl systemd , which I've masked in package.mask with sys-fs/systemd. sys-apps/systemd, right? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:51:19PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote: most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev sys-fs/eudev. I don't have eudev installed. (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. Are you sure about udisks[gudev]? I don't see that flag here. eudev has that flag, but even with it enabled, emerge -pv eudev does not pull in systemd here. A assume you checked the output of emerge --tree? -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Seize the carp. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still valid. But not so important any more. :^)
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the code base. MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is down). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
2013/9/6 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the code base. MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is down). -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México But I have not found MATE in portage... Anyway, it is not so important now, as I have already almost satisfied with my present Xfce setup. Thank you for the reply and have a nice weekend.
Re: [gentoo-user] A drive in my RAID6 has failed
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: So, I simply inserted and partitioned the new drive, added it to the array and away we go! md0 : active raid6 sde1[6] sdd1[5] sdg1[4] sdh1[2] sdf1[1] sdi1[0] 11720009728 blocks super 1.2 level 6, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [6/5] [UUU_UU] [] recovery = 2.3% (69513216/2930002432) finish=428.7min speed=111206K/sec When I wake up in the morning, I hope there won't be any errors. Success! It took 10 hours to rebuild the drive (speeds near the start of the disk are significantly faster than those near the end of the disk, so early estimates quoted by /proc/mdstat above were overly optimistic): [3720270.120695] md: bindsde1 [3720270.162933] RAID conf printout: [3720270.162942] --- level:6 rd:6 wd:5 [3720270.162949] disk 0, o:1, dev:sdi1 [3720270.162954] disk 1, o:1, dev:sdf1 [3720270.162958] disk 2, o:1, dev:sdh1 [3720270.162962] disk 3, o:1, dev:sde1 [3720270.162965] disk 4, o:1, dev:sdg1 [3720270.162969] disk 5, o:1, dev:sdd1 [3720270.163060] md: recovery of RAID array md0 [3720270.163067] md: minimum _guaranteed_ speed: 1000 KB/sec/disk. [3720270.163071] md: using maximum available idle IO bandwidth (but not more than 20 KB/sec) for recovery. [3720270.163085] md: using 128k window, over a total of 2930002432k. [3756293.459324] md: md0: recovery done. [3756294.797961] RAID conf printout: [3756294.797969] --- level:6 rd:6 wd:6 [3756294.797974] disk 0, o:1, dev:sdi1 [3756294.797979] disk 1, o:1, dev:sdf1 [3756294.797982] disk 2, o:1, dev:sdh1 [3756294.797986] disk 3, o:1, dev:sde1 [3756294.797989] disk 4, o:1, dev:sdg1 [3756294.797992] disk 5, o:1, dev:sdd1
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Install from USB stick; here's how
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 09:59:28PM +, Grant Edwards wrote Do the instructions at http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LiveUSB/HOWTO work with UEFI machines where the simple 'dd' method doesn't? I don't have a UEFI boot machine, so I don't know. One datapoint: my motherboard has UEFI bios, and simply dd'ing the minimal install .iso to a flash drive worked fine. When I boot up with the USB drive, the BIOS boot menu shows two entries for the USB drive, the first one always worked, so I never tried the second one... Are you booting in UEFI mode or legacy mode? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] Re: RAID 1 install guide?
Marc Stürmer mail at marc-stuermer.de writes: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup Hey thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll vige the install a whirl and post to a new thread with problems. James
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. sys-apps/systemd, right? Sorry, it's a busy day. With that correction, I get : sys-fs/eudev-1.2-r1::gentoo (Change USE: +hwdb +keymap +modutils) Then 54 pkgs, but eudev for systemd . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
On Fri, Sep 06 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4 requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome without systemd. You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily. Regards. That is what I suspected. I will keep the gnome-3.8 packages masked while I build up an old system and then try to convert it to systemd. When the conversion succeeds, I will try to convert my real system. thanks again for your help, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On 06/09/2013 20:51, Philip Webb wrote: 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote: most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev sys-fs/eudev. I don't have eudev installed. (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. (5) then I see : sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod) virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod) Adding -kmod to the USE list gets 54 pkgs, incl systemd , which I've masked in package.mask with sys-fs/systemd. It gets more complex by the post... I just noticed I have UE=gudev in package.use for udev, and I don't have systemd. So that's not it. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. sys-apps/systemd, right? Sorry, it's a busy day. With that correction, I get : sys-fs/eudev-1.2-r1::gentoo (Change USE: +hwdb +keymap +modutils) Then 54 pkgs, but eudev for systemd . Well, with that at least you escape from the newfangled systemd ;) If I'm not mistaken, nothing in the tree depends directly on eudev; it's (supposedly) a drop in replacement for udev if you don't want any systemd cooties. Now mask eudev and see what happens. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On 06/09/2013 20:55, gevisz wrote: 2013/9/6 gevisz gev...@gmail.com mailto:gev...@gmail.com 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window frame from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu but somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my windows had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons out of the box and without recompilation of all the programs that do not do the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of course). However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. I think the true answer is You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want I'm happy to be proved wrong though. If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will last only a short time. Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev configs), 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, I can not assign Win+Shift+any letter to any program launcher in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back compared to Gnome 2 (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with Gnome 3 :^), as have not tried it so far). P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, you are welcome. :^) I set up toggling the keyboard layout to rWin key in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: Option XkbOptions grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the Xfce panel, but could not find any. A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not included in the xfce4-meta package (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after changing some of the plugin's settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interestingly, the applet continued to switch the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the original ones. Magically, the rWin key also started to switch the keyboard layout. So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid. The third one is not so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it. :^) Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even more informative. :^) However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is still valid. But not so important any more. :^) Window decorations are usually done by the window manager, I assume Gnome2 is no different? Have you tried running a different window manager that supports what you want? What is the Gnome2 wm anyway? Metacity? (it's been so long since I looked, I've forgotten) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:28 PM, gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote: But I have not found MATE in portage... I see there is a mate overlay available in layman
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0 it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ; 10 pkgs are KDE include Marble. Is my surprise justified ? Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd. Support for gphoto2 in digikam is optional, I belive; the easiest solution is to USE=-gphoto2. If you are willing to spend a little time investigating, I bet you can install gphoto2 without systemd, but you need to see what is pulling it. My bet would be PolicyKit. The thing is, GNOME 3 now need systemd. Therefore, a lot of GNOME packages are setting their defaults dependencies to pull packages in such a way that systemd is one of them. If you don't use GNOME, but install one of its packages (or something that pulls something else from GNOME), you can pull *by default* systemd. However, I'm pretty sure you can configure out systemd without too much problem (if you don't use GNOME 3, that is). Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:33:47PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote
I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
it wants to install 54 pkgs, incl systemd ;
10 pkgs are KDE include Marble.
Is my surprise justified ?
I run with...
USECPU=mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3
USEOTHER= X a52 aac bzip2 cxx dga dri exif ffmpeg flac fortran gallium
gif intel jpeg mng mp3 mpeg ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg
opengl openrc png posix readline ssl theora threads tiff tools truetype
vim-syntax vorbis xcomposite webm x264 xpm xv xvid zlib
USE=-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}
...and a bare amd64 no-multilib profile. I tried emerge -pv digikam
and had to build up USE one step at a time. It looks like digikam has
been borged into KDE. You apparently need to build 90% of KDE,
including marble, symantec-desktop, nepomuk, phonon, an sql database,
etc, etc, etc. For a dependancy tree, try...
emerge -pvt --unordered-display digikam tree.txt
...and see what you get. It's probably a dependancy of a dependancy of
a dependancy, or something like that.
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled it in. No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not remove now any thing that pulled it in. All I did was emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world. As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and linux-header updated. Nothing else. After that I did emerge --depclean and the above mentioned packages were suddenly removed... It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log Then something got broken because I have packages installed that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are configured to send emails). And these packages do not have mail use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... So now I have stable system, updated to the latest level, where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear this change was premature... I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should, as cron can be configured to send emails too. Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass. As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must be fixed to include mailer as dependency. The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA. Just can't send mails. So if mdadm detects failed drive in raid1 and I do not get mail about it, I will discover it at least when the 2nd drive fails. That's a relief... I believe we can trust Gentoo users to know when they have (or not) an MTA. Why is there no global use-variable mta? Why not even local for packages that might use mailer? This goes completely against Gentoo-principles, if user has to search which other packages are required and install them manually. Is it not what we have use-flags for? The problem with USE flags is that they trigger a recompile when they change. In this case a recompile is completely unnecessary, since the package *works* with and without an MTA. As I said, the only difference is that you can (or not) send mails. I don't see a problem with that; if you need an MTA, install an MTA. If you think is a problem, file a bug. But I think it will be closed as WONTFIX. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd
130906 Alan McKinnon wrote: most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev sys-fs/eudev. I don't have eudev installed. (1) Portage wants USE=plasma. (2) kipi-plugins - k3b - USE=udisks. (3) marble - pykde4-4.11.0 - USE=script. (4) udisks - USE=gudev. (5) then I see : sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod) virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod) Adding -kmod to the USE list gets 54 pkgs, incl systemd , which I've masked in package.mask with sys-fs/systemd. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
