Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is --changed-deps going to be *that* useless?

[zlg]

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 01:22:57PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> > On 2018-02-27 11:02, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >
> >> A combination of --changed-deps, --with-bdeps=y and --deep is bound to
> >> result in plenty of unnecessary re-emerging.
> > So, what _is_ the recommended set of emerge flags for regular daily or
> > weekly updates (assuming no binary packages)?
> >
> 
> 
> Over the years, I've ended up with this command and options set that
> seem to work pretty well for most everything.  This is in make.conf:
> 
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --backtrack=100 --keep-going -v -j5
> --quiet-build=n -1 --unordered-display"
> 
> After I run eix-sync, I then run emerge -uaDN world and give the updates
> a looking over, to make sure the USE flags are like I want etc etc.  I
> started out with fewer options but as issues popped up or options were
> added that made things work better, they were added.  Some are done in
> make.conf to make sure they are the default for every command, unless I
> override it on the command line.  So far, it has resulted in a fairly
> stable system even if I have some arch packages installed, KDE for
> example. 
> 
> As usual, you may need something different but that has worked for me
> and could be a starting point at least. 
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> P. S.  On the rare occasion I want to add something to the world file, I
> either do it directly or use --select y to override the -1 in
> make.conf.  That helps keep the world file from getting cluttered up to
> no end with things that shouldn't be there.
> 

I recently took --oneshot out of EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS due to failing to
find --select y; now I can add it back in. Thanks for the tip!

~zlg


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[gentoo-user] mono broken?

[Alan Grimes]

Hey, what should I do next to try to resolve this, I am pretty sure it's
an install issue on my mono, haven't really tried to use it like this in
years...

As below, the "test install" tool tells me it's broken but doesn't give
me any clue as to the next step. =(


atg@tortoise ~/test/kerbal/DMP_SERVER/Soviet $ mono DMPServer.exe

Unhandled Exception:
System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for
'System.Console' threw an exception. --->
System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for
'System.ConsoleDriver' threw an exception. ---> System.Exception: Magic
number is wrong: 542
  at System.TermInfoReader.ReadHeader (System.Byte[] buffer,
System.Int32& position) [0x00028] in :0
  at System.TermInfoReader..ctor (System.String term, System.String
filename) [0x0005f] in :0
  at System.TermInfoDriver..ctor (System.String term) [0x00055] in
:0
  at System.ConsoleDriver.CreateTermInfoDriver (System.String term)
[0x0] in :0
  at System.ConsoleDriver..cctor () [0x0004d] in
:0
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Console.SetupStreams (System.Text.Encoding inputEncoding,
System.Text.Encoding outputEncoding) [0x7] in
:0
  at System.Console..cctor () [0x0008e] in
:0
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at DarkMultiPlayerServer.DarkLog.Fatal (System.String message)
[0x0] in <14a0c0e70def4065931f8240b7201327>:0
  at DarkMultiPlayerServer.Server.Main () [0x0066e] in
<14a0c0e70def4065931f8240b7201327>:0
[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.TypeInitializationException:
The type initializer for 'System.Console' threw an exception. --->
System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer for
'System.ConsoleDriver' threw an exception. ---> System.Exception: Magic
number is wrong: 542
  at System.TermInfoReader.ReadHeader (System.Byte[] buffer,
System.Int32& position) [0x00028] in :0
  at System.TermInfoReader..ctor (System.String term, System.String
filename) [0x0005f] in :0
  at System.TermInfoDriver..ctor (System.String term) [0x00055] in
:0
  at System.ConsoleDriver.CreateTermInfoDriver (System.String term)
[0x0] in :0
  at System.ConsoleDriver..cctor () [0x0004d] in
:0
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Console.SetupStreams (System.Text.Encoding inputEncoding,
System.Text.Encoding outputEncoding) [0x7] in
:0
  at System.Console..cctor () [0x0008e] in
:0
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at DarkMultiPlayerServer.DarkLog.Fatal (System.String message)
[0x0] in <14a0c0e70def4065931f8240b7201327>:0
  at DarkMultiPlayerServer.Server.Main () [0x0066e] in
<14a0c0e70def4065931f8240b7201327>:0
atg@tortoise ~/test/kerbal/DMP_SERVER/Soviet $ mono-
mono-api-html  mono-cil-strip
mono-find-requires mono-package-runtime  
mono-sgen  mono-test-install
mono-api-info  mono-configuration-crypto 
mono-fpm   mono-service  
mono-shlib-cop mono-xmltool
mono-boehm mono-find-provides
mono-heapviz   mono-service2 
mono-symbolicate  



atg@tortoise ~/test/kerbal/DMP_SERVER/Soviet $ mono-test-install
Active Mono: /usr/bin/mono

Failed to compile sample System.Drawing program, your installation is broken





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Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Dale]

Floyd Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:21:52 -0800
> Ian Zimmerman  wrote:
>> On 2018-03-01 18:12, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>>> - 182748
>>> - 182749
>>> - 182751
>>
>> If you succeed in retrieving them, please let us know which ones they
>> were, so we can guess as to the cause.
>>
>
> Just send an empty mail to:
>
>    
>
> where ‘N’ is the message number, for instance:
>
>    
>
> and you should receive the requested mail (182749). I got it within
> one minute.
>
>

Interesting.  The plot thickens.  I sent mine hours ago and got nothing
yet, other than the recent replies which are in sequence so far.  This
is what I sent to get them:

gentoo-user+get-182...@lists.gentoo.org

gentoo-user+get-182...@lists.gentoo.org

gentoo-user+get-182...@lists.gentoo.org

Those look like the same format as yours.  Wonder why I haven't got
anything yet?  Am I missing something?  I wonder if google is blocking
them.  I have to BCC myself to get my replies since google sends them to
/dev/null otherwise.  Annoying thing.  I keep saying I'm going to get a
real email but it's always next week, which never seems to get here.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Floyd Anderson]

On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:21:52 -0800
Ian Zimmerman  wrote:

On 2018-03-01 18:12, Dale wrote:


Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 182748
- 182749
- 182751


If you succeed in retrieving them, please let us know which ones they
were, so we can guess as to the cause.



Just send an empty mail to:

   

where ‘N’ is the message number, for instance:

   

and you should receive the requested mail (182749). I got it within one 
minute.



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Regards,
floyd

[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing Messages

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-03-01 18:12, Dale wrote:

> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 182748
> - 182749
> - 182751

If you succeed in retrieving them, please let us know which ones they
were, so we can guess as to the cause.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing Messages

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-03-01 18:12, Dale wrote:

> If it helps, this is the complete message headers and all that I got
> for one of them. Obviously, I'm editing out my email addy. I get
> enough spam as it is. I'm replacing my email addy with ohnoyourenot
> even if it is a partial. It seems to me that they are coming from the
> Gentoo servers BUT I'm no expert on these things.

Yes, this is sent by the gentoo server.  It's different from what I
get, and it does mean the gentoo list server couldn't push some messages
to you, or so it thinks.

If you weren't on gmail, I'd say you might be the other side of the same
coin, i.e. the recipient who bounces my messages.  But maybe there's a
common reason why both Goo and Micro$oft think my messages or maybe
other messages on this list are spam.  The difference would be that Goo
at least bounces correctly, ie. to the MAIL FROM (aka envelope) address.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Rich Freeman]

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 12:58:44PM -0500, Tom H wrote
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
>> >
>> > Is there something besides iptables? It seems to be like
>> > systemd/perl/python, continuously expanding its scope. And no, I'm not
>> > looking for an "easy-peasy front-end gui" that'll probably pull in 90%
>> > of QT as dependancies. I fondly remember IPCHAINS.
>>
>> iptables doesn't depend on systemd, perl, or python.
>
>   It has become an all-in-one router/packet-mangler/firewall/QOS/etc
> when I simply want a firewall.  The required kernel entries have
> increased simply for the firewall functionality.
>

Has it really changed that much for the same requirements?  Google
suggests that blocking a port is still a one-liner.

They've certainly added a lot of functionality, but as far as I'm
aware you don't have to use most of it to just filter packets.

In any case, netfilter is entirely in the kernel, so you're going to
be using it one way or another if you want to use linux.  Using a
front-end is the easiest way to go with it.

I don't really see that Linus has much choice but to accept more scope
unless he wants to move netfilter out into userspace, since I'm sure
some people need those features and he hasn't really given them any
other way to have them.

If they did move netfilter to userspace, then it would probably end up
working a lot more like dbus,  I'm sure that would make you happier...
  It would enable you to use an alternative implementation, though.
Not that anybody will bother to write one because it is easier to let
RedHat do all the work.

That is generally how most of these things go.  Nobody really kills
off the ability for a simple tool to work.  However, what does happen
is that somebody comes up with a fancier tool that covers more edge
cases, then all the distros adopt it, because they're shipping it all
preconfigured so it isn't that big a deal if the new solution requires
35 configuration files since it isn't like their end-users are editing
those files directly.  Then more software ends up taking advantage of
some of the features offered by this tool, and it becomes harder to
avoid using it.

If anything netfilter staying in the kernel and picking up all those
other features is probably going to be more to your taste than the
alternatives...

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 23:48:27 +0100, Branko Grubic wrote:
>
>>> I have got a couple recently as well.  I wonder, can this be used to
>>> retrieve those messages somehow??
> Yes, send a help message to the list admin address, the details are on
> the mailing list page at gentoo.org. You'll get back a list of commands
> you can send, including one to retrieve individual messages.
>

Tried that and didn't get anything.  Tried it twice.  Given some
messages are bouncing and the retrieve feature isn't working, I wonder
if there is some sort of issue, hardware or software, with the servers?? 

Weird.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Walter Dnes]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 12:58:44PM -0500, Tom H wrote
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
> >
> > Is there something besides iptables? It seems to be like
> > systemd/perl/python, continuously expanding its scope. And no, I'm not
> > looking for an "easy-peasy front-end gui" that'll probably pull in 90%
> > of QT as dependancies. I fondly remember IPCHAINS.
> 
> iptables doesn't depend on systemd, perl, or python.

  It has become an all-in-one router/packet-mangler/firewall/QOS/etc
when I simply want a firewall.  The required kernel entries have
increased simply for the firewall functionality.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Adam Carter]

Happy with my OfficeJet Pro 8620.

Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 23:48:27 +0100, Branko Grubic wrote:

> > I have got a couple recently as well.  I wonder, can this be used to
> > retrieve those messages somehow??

Yes, send a help message to the list admin address, the details are on
the mailing list page at gentoo.org. You'll get back a list of commands
you can send, including one to retrieve individual messages.

> But what is interesting is that all of us use gmail.

What you meant to say was that all the respondents to date were using
gmail, I don't and I've also had a few of these in the past couple of
days.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing Messages

[Dale]

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-03-01 23:48, Branko Grubic wrote:
>
>>> I keep my messages locally so when I miss messages, it can throw a
>>> thread into some random weirdness.  If one uses the web interface to
>>> read/reply etc then it wouldn't matter but for those who use email
>>> software, it seems we are missing something.
>> I have no idea, does it mean it bounced, and mailing list software did
>> re-send them later or not. I don't see a way to use those numbers to
>> find out which email message relates to the number. So no answer for
>> any of those.
> Just to clarify: what I see is messages _I_ send to the list bounced by
> some recipients (presumably list subscribers), the bounces coming from
> Microsoft outlook/365 servers.
>
> I myself don't seem miss to any messages in this list, and I get back
> mine as well, which tells me this is not a problem with the list server.
>


If it helps, this is the complete message headers and all that I got for
one of them.  Obviously, I'm editing out my email addy.  I get enough
spam as it is.  I'm replacing my email addy with ohnoyourenot even if it
is a partial.  It seems to me that they are coming from the Gentoo
servers BUT I'm no expert on these things. 


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[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing Messages

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-03-01 23:48, Branko Grubic wrote:

> > I keep my messages locally so when I miss messages, it can throw a
> > thread into some random weirdness.  If one uses the web interface to
> > read/reply etc then it wouldn't matter but for those who use email
> > software, it seems we are missing something.

> I have no idea, does it mean it bounced, and mailing list software did
> re-send them later or not. I don't see a way to use those numbers to
> find out which email message relates to the number. So no answer for
> any of those.

Just to clarify: what I see is messages _I_ send to the list bounced by
some recipients (presumably list subscribers), the bounces coming from
Microsoft outlook/365 servers.

I myself don't seem miss to any messages in this list, and I get back
mine as well, which tells me this is not a problem with the list server.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Branko Grubic]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:38:42 -0600
Dale  wrote:

> Branko Grubic wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:42:35 -0600
> > R0b0t1  wrote:
> >  
...
> 
> 
> I have got a couple recently as well.  I wonder, can this be used to
> retrieve those messages somehow??
> 
> 
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> - 182748
> - 182749
> - 182751
> 
> 
> I keep my messages locally so when I miss messages, it can throw a
> thread into some random weirdness.  If one uses the web interface to
> read/reply etc then it wouldn't matter but for those who use email
> software, it seems we are missing something.  
> 
> I might also wonder, what happened to 182750??  
...

I have no idea, does it mean it bounced, and mailing list software did
re-send them later or not. I don't see a way to use those numbers to
find out which email message relates to the number. So no answer for
any of those.

But what is interesting is that all of us use gmail.

It could be that gmail is receiving a lot of messages from
lists.gentoo.org and that triggers some spam protection? :(

Regards,
Branko

Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Dale]

Branko Grubic wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:42:35 -0600
> R0b0t1  wrote:
>
>> I keep getting emails from the mailer daemon about bouncing messages.
>> I am worried. Am I missing messages from my internet friends? Please
>> send help.
>>
>> With much concern,
>>  R0b0t1
>>
> Hi,
>
> I was just thinking about asking the same question, I also get those
> recently.
>
> Regards,
> Branko
>
>


I have got a couple recently as well.  I wonder, can this be used to
retrieve those messages somehow??


Here is the list of the bounced messages:
- 182748
- 182749
- 182751


I keep my messages locally so when I miss messages, it can throw a thread into 
some random weirdness.  If one uses the web interface to read/reply etc then it 
wouldn't matter but for those who use email software, it seems we are missing 
something.  

I might also wonder, what happened to 182750??  

Dale

:-)  :-)  

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:56:15 +, Wols Lists wrote:

> > If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
> > to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
> > or writes it to a network file server.  
> 
> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
> won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
> do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

That's not correct. My HP laser AIO can scan to email, a network folder
or a USB stick.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing Messages

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-03-01 14:42, R0b0t1 wrote:

> I keep getting emails from the mailer daemon about bouncing messages.
> I am worried. Am I missing messages from my internet friends? Please
> send help.

Do you mean the crud from outlook/365?  I get that too; it's probably
because my list mail lacks DKIM sigs (intentionally so).  But whatever
the reason it's horrifying brain damage on their part to send the
bounces to _me_ rather than the envelope sender which is the bounce
address of the list.  Micro$oft may have softened from the 90s but it's
still breaking standard protocols left and right, it seems.

I have just configured my MTA to send bounces from their IP ranges to
/dev/null.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[Branko Grubic]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:42:35 -0600
R0b0t1  wrote:

> I keep getting emails from the mailer daemon about bouncing messages.
> I am worried. Am I missing messages from my internet friends? Please
> send help.
> 
> With much concern,
>  R0b0t1
> 

Hi,

I was just thinking about asking the same question, I also get those
recently.

Regards,
Branko

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:33 AM, Roger Cahn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>

Hello,

I strongly recommend a Brother laser/thermal printer. They can do
color now. You can alternatively buy reservoirs for ink based
printers.

Color lasers are usually "business" instead of "home" but I would not
buy a home printer if I could afford it. The savings will be quite a
bit. A business printer will last a decade or more, and is not that
much more expensive. Someone mentioned laser getting better, I would
agree.

Cheers,
 R0b0t1

[gentoo-user] Bouncing Messages

[R0b0t1]

I keep getting emails from the mailer daemon about bouncing messages.
I am worried. Am I missing messages from my internet friends? Please
send help.

With much concern,
 R0b0t1

Re: [gentoo-user] Boot Gentoo live iso from grub

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 07:11:23PM -0600, R0b0t1 wrote:

> >> Please be careful, sir! The SysRescCD releases are not signed. The
> >> Russians might be able to get you!
> >
> > That's not really an issue as neither Peter nor I is able to vote in US
> > elections ;-)
> >
> 
> Not to take the joke too far, but they're funding political groups all
> over Europe.

Pff...
And you think the other side™ does not? Of course, their interference into
the internal affairs of other states is "only for the good cause", as some
high-level shmuck recently testified.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [okey..] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Grant Taylor]

On 03/01/2018 03:12 AM, Wols Lists wrote:
I had great trouble with yahoo and a mailing list - it kept filing all 
the ham (from mailing lists) as spam, and left all the spam (mostly 
yahoo advertising crap  in the inbox.


Consider the source of your troubles.  ;-)



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[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Wols Lists  wrote:
> On 01/03/18 15:43, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
>> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
>> or writes it to a network file server.
>
> Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive,

I'm sure.  None of the budget all-in-ones I've looked at in the past
did it.

> or it probably won't do it. My Dells have been the only
> printer/scanners I've had that do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

That feature definitely moves you from the "home" printer product
lines into the "office" printer product lines.

-- 
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  at   exactly like Donnie and
  gmail.comMarie Osmond!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Grant Edwards
 wrote:
> On 2018-02-28, taii...@gmx.com  wrote:
>
>> Is there a windows style application layer firewall?
>
> Can you describe what that means? (For the benefit of those of us that
> aren't familiar with Windows.)

I don't use Windows but on macOS it means that you can allow an
application by name, without having to worry about possibly random
ports.

On my Mac:

# /usr/libexec/ApplicationFirewall/socketfilterfw --listapps
ALF: total number of apps = 2

1 :  /Applications/Skype.app
  ( Allow incoming connections )

2 :  /usr/local/bin/unbound
  ( Block incoming connections )

#

Re: [gentoo-user] [SUSPECTED SPAM] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Mick]

On Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:58:44 GMT Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
> > Is there something besides iptables? It seems to be like
> > systemd/perl/python, continuously expanding its scope. And no, I'm not
> > looking for an "easy-peasy front-end gui" that'll probably pull in 90%
> > of QT as dependancies. I fondly remember IPCHAINS.
> 
> iptables doesn't depend on systemd, perl, or python.
> 
> firewalld depends on dbus, polkit, and python.
> 
> ufw depends on python.
> 
> But there may be other iptables frontends that depend on more,
> especially if they are graphical.
> 
> The advantage of iptables frontends is that you only have to allow
> "your" ports (for a minimal customization) without having to worry
> about all the other stuff that you need to set up when you use
> iptables directly.
> 
> I've used apf, arno, and ufw. The first two depend on bash and simply
> require you to set variables in "/etc/$firewall/".

+1 for net-firewall/arno-iptables-firewall if you need a script to set up 
iptables for you.

I am using vanilla iptables with simple hand-made scripts on a number of 
systems, so it shouldn't be too difficult to roll your own if your demands are 
relatively simple.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:22 PM, taii...@gmx.com  wrote:
>
> Is there a windows style application layer firewall? I get that it doesn't
> stop truly malicious programs but I am simply wanting to stop random
> programs doing connections without my consent which due to the lennart
> potterings's of the world now are not just a windows freeware problem.

Switch to macOS and its running-by-default socketfilterfw ;)

You can set up OUTPUT iptables rules to allow certain ports and drop the others.

Re: [gentoo-user] [SUSPECTED SPAM] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Tom H]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Walter Dnes  wrote:
>
> Is there something besides iptables? It seems to be like
> systemd/perl/python, continuously expanding its scope. And no, I'm not
> looking for an "easy-peasy front-end gui" that'll probably pull in 90%
> of QT as dependancies. I fondly remember IPCHAINS.

iptables doesn't depend on systemd, perl, or python.

firewalld depends on dbus, polkit, and python.

ufw depends on python.

But there may be other iptables frontends that depend on more,
especially if they are graphical.

The advantage of iptables frontends is that you only have to allow
"your" ports (for a minimal customization) without having to worry
about all the other stuff that you need to set up when you use
iptables directly.

I've used apf, arno, and ufw. The first two depend on bash and simply
require you to set variables in "/etc/$firewall/".

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 15:43, Grant Edwards wrote:
> If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
> to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
> or writes it to a network file server.

Make sure you check the specs. Either it'll be expensive, or it probably
won't do it. My Dells have been the only printer/scanners I've had that
do it - HP's don't, Epsons don't ...

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 17:41, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:29:39 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
 For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
 printer, copier.

 I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>>>
>>> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
>>
>> It's not.
> 
> +1

I agree ... (but see below)
> 
>>> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.
> 
> I had an inkjet but I didn't use it much, so every time I came to use it the 
> jets were blocked. Eventually the condition was terminal. I now use only my 
> trusty old Kyocera FS-1020D mono laser.
> 
I think modern ink-jets are rather better.

The one we've got now seems okay - the very first one I've been any
where near happy with. It's not perfect, but the photos are better than
a laser, and my wife prints card which the laser printer chokes on.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:29:39 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> > > printer, copier.
> > > 
> > > I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
> > 
> > I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
> 
> It's not.

+1

> > I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

I had an inkjet but I didn't use it much, so every time I came to use it the 
jets were blocked. Eventually the condition was terminal. I now use only my 
trusty old Kyocera FS-1020D mono laser.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.
>
> It's not.
>  
>> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.
>
> That depends on your printing needs. I've now got an HP colour laser AIO
> device. It was expensive but it does everything I need with minimal fuss.

Here's my HP testimonial: I've had an HP LaserJet 1320 printer (mono)
for almost 15 years.  It's brilliant: 1200DPI, Postscript, Duplexing.
It still works like it did when it was new.  

I've had to by _one_ toner cartridge, it's still got many miles left
on it.

I don't print much, and the one Canon ink-jet printer I had before the
HP LaserJet had an operating cost of about $10/page.  Yes, dollars.
Once every couple months, I'd need to print a few pages -- and I'd
have to by yet another new cartridge and thow out the 99% full one
that had stopped working.



> The only point I'd make about HP AIO devices is that while the hplip
> package is free and open source, to use it with a scanner it downloads a
> non-free binary blob. Whether this matters depends on whether you are a
> pragmatist or zealot ;-)

If I cared about scanning, I'd be very tempted to spend enough money
to get a network-connected printer that just e-mails me a PDF document
or writes it to a network file server.

-- 
Grant Edwards   grant.b.edwardsYow! We just joined the
  at   civil hair patrol!
  gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:10:58 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> > For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> > printer, copier.
> >
> > I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.  
> 
> I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.

It's not.
 
> I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

That depends on your printing needs. I've now got an HP colour laser AIO
device. It was expensive but it does everything I need with minimal fuss.

The only point I'd make about HP AIO devices is that while the hplip
package is free and open source, to use it with a scanner it downloads a
non-free binary blob. Whether this matters depends on whether you are a
pragmatist or zealot ;-)

> Many years ago, I worked with a Brother mono laser multifunction
> printer and the "print" part worked fine with Linux.  I don't think I
> ever tried to set it up the scanning.

I had a similar device and it was a bitch to set up.


-- 
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[gentoo-user] Re: Printer

[Grant Edwards]

On 2018-03-01, Roger Cahn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.

I despise all inkjets, but maybe that's just me.

I'd pick mono laser over any inkjet.

Many years ago, I worked with a Brother mono laser multifunction
printer and the "print" part worked fine with Linux.  I don't think I
ever tried to set it up the scanning.


-- 
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  at   CONTEST!  I'm REFRESHINGLY
  gmail.comCANDID!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 10:33, Roger Cahn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
> 
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
> 
> For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612
> 
> -gentoo amd64 compatible
> 
> -inkjet color (4colors)
> 
> -ethernet
> 
I use these people

https://www.ijtdirect.co.uk/?sct=printerdeals

As you're in France it shouldn't be a problem, just watch for the
currency conversion. They've been about for years dealing in refurbished
kit, although I think these printers are new.

All our lasers have been Dell, and there's been minimal problems with
them. Our current one is the Dell 1765 multi-function, which isn't on
the list :-( I think our current printers are the 4th and 5th we've had
from them.

HPs and Epsons are allegedly linux-friendly.

One thing to look out for - do you do a lot of scanning? One of the
reasons I like the Dells is that they have what I call "push scanning" -
configure them to connect via Samba, then you can put the original in
the feeder, select "scan" on the front panel, and the scan appears
automagically on the computer. With both HP and Epson, you usually have
to put the document in the scanner, then go to the computer and run the
scan software. A pain in the arse.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Printer

[David Abbott]

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:33 AM, Roger Cahn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
> printer, copier.
>
> I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.
>
> For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612
>
> -gentoo amd64 compatible
>
> -inkjet color (4colors)
>
> -ethernet
>
> Thank you for your help
>
> Roger
>
>

Hi Roger,
I have been using a HP Envy 5330 for a few years, everything is supported well.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-envy-5530-e-all-in-one-printer-series/5304881/model/5304882/drivers

[gentoo-user] Printer

[Roger Cahn]

Hi,

For my birthday (!) my children want to offer me a multifunction
printer, copier.

I ask you for an idea which one they could buy.

For example:  Multifonction A3 HP Officejet Pro 7612

-gentoo amd64 compatible

-inkjet color (4colors)

-ethernet

Thank you for your help

Roger

Re: [gentoo-user] [okey..] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 09:56, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:11:12 GMT Nils Freydank wrote:
> 
>> PS: What about the "suspected spam" in your subject? Is that a bug in the
>> ML software or does that one come from you?
> 
> I don't see that. Are you sure it isn't you?  :)
> 
I see it too. Intermediate mail-servers are prone to assume mailing
lists are spam.

I had great trouble with yahoo and a mailing list - it kept filing all
the ham (from mailing lists) as spam, and left all the spam (mostly
yahoo advertising crap :-( in the inbox.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Wols Lists]

On 01/03/18 00:26, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Like everybody around here I prefer a FOSS implementation,
> and would trust it more due to the "many eyes" philosophy, but I'd
> stop short of saying that the Windows software firewall is
> particularly insecure.

Bear in mind that "many eyes" only works when said eyes are looking in
that direction.

The crucial take-away is that "many eyes" does not make products any
better, it just means that when a bug is found, it's a lot easier to
find the solution. Because any interested party can look for it rather
than hitting a notice "Kein Eintritt!"

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] [okey..] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 1 March 2018 03:01:46 GMT Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 12:11:12AM +0100, Nils Freydank wrote
> 
> > PS: What about the "suspected spam" in your subject? Is that a bug
> > in the ML software or does that one come from you?
> 
>   Probably my ISP, I'll have to ask on their support forum.

Sorry about my first post.

You can see from the headers where it was inserted, then direct your 
questions accordingly.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] [okey..] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:11:12 GMT Nils Freydank wrote:

> PS: What about the "suspected spam" in your subject? Is that a bug in the
> ML software or does that one come from you?

I don't see that. Are you sure it isn't you?  :)

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

[gentoo-user] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [OT] Best *SIMPLE* firewall?

[Alberto Luaces]

Heiko Baums writes:

> Am Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:15:59 -0500
> schrieb "Walter Dnes" :
>
>>   Is there something besides iptables?  It seems to be like
>> systemd/perl/python, continuously expanding its scope.  And no, I'm
>> not looking for an "easy-peasy front-end gui" that'll probably pull
>> in 90% of QT as dependancies.  I fondly remember IPCHAINS.
>
> I don't know what you're looking for exactly.
>
> If you want a command line tool for configuring your firewall with an
> easier syntax than iptables you could try ufw.

Indeed.  And its graphical interface:

https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/net-firewall/ufw-frontends

-- 
Alberto