Re: [gentoo-user] Video card setting on XPS8940?
On 12/20/2020 11:51 PM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 12/20/2020 11:41 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> I'm working on setting up a new Dell XPS 8940. What do I set the >> video options to in the kernel and in "VIDEO_CARDS" in make.conf? >> Here's the output from "lspci -v". >> >> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 9bc8 (rev 03) >> (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) >> DeviceName: Onboard - Video >> Subsystem: Dell Device 09c5 >> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 255 >> Memory at d000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] >> Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] >> I/O ports at 4000 [size=64] >> Expansion ROM at 000c [virtual] [disabled] [size=128K] >> Capabilities: [40] Vendor Specific Information: Len=0c >> Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 >> Capabilities: [ac] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- >> Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 >> Capabilities: [100] Process Address Space ID (PASID) >> Capabilities: [200] Address Translation Service (ATS) >> Capabilities: [300] Page Request Interface (PRI) > > I think you have to enable: CONFIG_DRM_I915 in kernel .config > > VIDEO_CARDS="intel i915" > > See: > https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/DRM_I915.html Or: VIDEO_CARDS="intel i965"
Re: [gentoo-user] Video card setting on XPS8940?
On 21 December 2020 07:41:08 CET, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm working on setting up a new Dell XPS 8940. What do I set the >video options to in the kernel and in "VIDEO_CARDS" in make.conf? >Here's the output from "lspci -v". > >00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 9bc8 (rev >03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) >DeviceName: Onboard - Video >Subsystem: Dell Device 09c5 >Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 255 >Memory at d000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] >Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] >I/O ports at 4000 [size=64] >Expansion ROM at 000c [virtual] [disabled] [size=128K] >Capabilities: [40] Vendor Specific Information: Len=0c >Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 >Capabilities: [ac] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- >Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 >Capabilities: [100] Process Address Space ID (PASID) >Capabilities: [200] Address Translation Service (ATS) >Capabilities: [300] Page Request Interface (PRI) Add all the options starting with "i". (Intel and the ones with numbers) Also add those to the kernel. More specific, check what the CPU needs via google and co. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Video card setting on XPS8940?
On 12/20/2020 11:41 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm working on setting up a new Dell XPS 8940. What do I set the > video options to in the kernel and in "VIDEO_CARDS" in make.conf? > Here's the output from "lspci -v". > > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 9bc8 (rev 03) > (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) > DeviceName: Onboard - Video > Subsystem: Dell Device 09c5 > Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 255 > Memory at d000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] > Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] > I/O ports at 4000 [size=64] > Expansion ROM at 000c [virtual] [disabled] [size=128K] > Capabilities: [40] Vendor Specific Information: Len=0c > Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 > Capabilities: [ac] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- > Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 > Capabilities: [100] Process Address Space ID (PASID) > Capabilities: [200] Address Translation Service (ATS) > Capabilities: [300] Page Request Interface (PRI) I think you have to enable: CONFIG_DRM_I915 in kernel .config VIDEO_CARDS="intel i915" See: https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/DRM_I915.html
[gentoo-user] Video card setting on XPS8940?
I'm working on setting up a new Dell XPS 8940. What do I set the video options to in the kernel and in "VIDEO_CARDS" in make.conf? Here's the output from "lspci -v". 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 9bc8 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) DeviceName: Onboard - Video Subsystem: Dell Device 09c5 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 255 Memory at d000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] I/O ports at 4000 [size=64] Expansion ROM at 000c [virtual] [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [40] Vendor Specific Information: Len=0c Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [ac] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [100] Process Address Space ID (PASID) Capabilities: [200] Address Translation Service (ATS) Capabilities: [300] Page Request Interface (PRI) -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] make broken on kernel 5.4.66-gentoo kernel
Did you cleanup first? run "make mrproper", the unpack your saved config then run "make oldconfig". BillK On 21/12/20 1:59 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: > I made a few tweaks to the kernel config and tried to rebuild... and > the build died. I restored the original .config from /proc/config.gz > and tried again. Same failure. I'm in the "linux" subdirectory... > > [d531][root][/usr/src/linux] make > CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh > CALLscripts/atomic/check-atomics.sh > DESCEND objtool > make[4]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/include/bits/sys_errlist.h', needed > by '/usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/objtool/fixdep.o'. Stop. > make[3]: *** [Makefile:43: > /usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/objtool/fixdep-in.o] Error 2 > make[2]: *** [/usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/build/Makefile.include:5: > fixdep] Error 2 > make[1]: *** [Makefile:67: objtool] Error 2 > make: *** [Makefile:1833: tools/objtool] Error 2 > > Since the machine (older Intel Core2 64-bit with 3 gigs ram) is > running, the kernel obviously built successfully in the past. Any > ideas? > > [d531][waltdnes][~] uname -a > Linux d531 5.4.66-gentoo #4 SMP Sat Oct 24 23:24:41 EDT 2020 x86_64 Intel(R) > Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux >
[gentoo-user] make broken on kernel 5.4.66-gentoo kernel
I made a few tweaks to the kernel config and tried to rebuild... and the build died. I restored the original .config from /proc/config.gz and tried again. Same failure. I'm in the "linux" subdirectory... [d531][root][/usr/src/linux] make CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh CALLscripts/atomic/check-atomics.sh DESCEND objtool make[4]: *** No rule to make target '/usr/include/bits/sys_errlist.h', needed by '/usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/objtool/fixdep.o'. Stop. make[3]: *** [Makefile:43: /usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/objtool/fixdep-in.o] Error 2 make[2]: *** [/usr/src/linux-5.4.66-gentoo/tools/build/Makefile.include:5: fixdep] Error 2 make[1]: *** [Makefile:67: objtool] Error 2 make: *** [Makefile:1833: tools/objtool] Error 2 Since the machine (older Intel Core2 64-bit with 3 gigs ram) is running, the kernel obviously built successfully in the past. Any ideas? [d531][waltdnes][~] uname -a Linux d531 5.4.66-gentoo #4 SMP Sat Oct 24 23:24:41 EDT 2020 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] How do I remove pam during/after an install.
On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:19:33PM -0500, John Covici wrote > OK, pardon my ignorance, what is wrong with pam? Aside from the fact > that when you change versions you have to reboot or restart just about > everything. It's obscure/different. That's important, because if you need to tweak a regular config file or fix something broken, the first reaction is to "ask Mr. Google". And you'll almost always get the non-pam answer. In my early days with Gentoo I left the default at pam. But I soon got sick and tired of "implementing configs" I found on Google, only to find they didn't work. The URL I pointed to gives one such example, sudoers. So I simply switched away from pam. pam is one example of the corporate take-over of linux. According to https://subscription.packtpub.com/book/networking_and_servers/9781904811329/1/ch01lvl1sec06/history-of-pam pam was released in 1997, by Sun Microsystems, who were a big player in the corporate Unix space at that time. The rationale... it scales better... https://subscription.packtpub.com/book/networking_and_servers/9781904811329/1/ch01lvl1sec08/need-for-pam > Furthermore, the password file does not scale. It might work with > 100 users, but working with 5000 users is a completely different > story. PAM can easily scale to tens of thousands depending on the > chosen back end; changing the back end user database, for example, > from a flat file to an LDAP server will be painful if you are not > using PAM. I've got 3 users on my machine; root; me; and a general-screwing-around-and-testing user. All of them are actually me. pam assumes that some of the 5,000 users at corporate HQ are malicious actors, trying to break into other users' accounts. Ditto for systemd. I've got a NAT-ing router and a "Paranoia Plus" iptables ruleset. So far, that's been sufficient for me. And don't get me started on the corporatization of IPV6. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
On 21/12/20 8:20 am, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > Somewhat related. I googled and it appears I can hook a NAS to my > router and share it there. The router is 1GB, it has yellow ports. Is > it true that I can hook a NAS to the router? I'd assume it can be > shared with anything connected to the router, even my cell phone if > needed. > > Also, I'm looking at a new network card for my PC. With the new much > faster internet coming soon, I need a faster network card. Router is > ready, puter isn't. I found this, sorry for the caps but copy and > paste. INTEL GIGABIT DUAL PORT NETWORK ADAPTER PCIe 424RR i350 1GB. I > found a site that talks about NAS and network cards. According to the > article, this should be a very reliable card and just works. It has two > ports. I know I need one to hook to the router. Would that second port > cause me any grief? Result in conflicts or something? I been using > Realtek but article claims these are better. Anyone have thoughts on > this? Have one and can share their experience? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > Something to look into before going the traditional raid/nfs route: moosefs or lizardfs. I am using arm based odroid HC2's and over the softraid based nfs I was using there are considerable power savings (especially if you take into the account redundancy) as it takes a number of these low power arm systems to match the power requirements of an older desktop), better data protection (actual, not theoretical for 2x raid 4 disk 10's replaced by a single 5x hc2's using the same disks with mfs :) and the ease of mounting it into the filesystem. Downside is needing a fast network for best performance but an NFS will need that anyway for similar reasons. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
On 20/12/2020 13:20, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: There is a saying in German tech culture: "Entweder sie geht oder sie geht nicht." (either it works or it doesn't). The pun is on the pronunciation of "sie geht" (it works), which sounds exactly like Seagate. → "Either Seagate or Seagate... not." :-) I'm of German descent (and speak some German), so while I wouldn't have thought of that pun, it's good :-) Ich gehe Ironwolf. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
Howdy, Somewhat related. I googled and it appears I can hook a NAS to my router and share it there. The router is 1GB, it has yellow ports. Is it true that I can hook a NAS to the router? I'd assume it can be shared with anything connected to the router, even my cell phone if needed. Also, I'm looking at a new network card for my PC. With the new much faster internet coming soon, I need a faster network card. Router is ready, puter isn't. I found this, sorry for the caps but copy and paste. INTEL GIGABIT DUAL PORT NETWORK ADAPTER PCIe 424RR i350 1GB. I found a site that talks about NAS and network cards. According to the article, this should be a very reliable card and just works. It has two ports. I know I need one to hook to the router. Would that second port cause me any grief? Result in conflicts or something? I been using Realtek but article claims these are better. Anyone have thoughts on this? Have one and can share their experience? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:01:21PM -0600 schrieb Dale: > > >> I just found a IBM ServeRaid M1015 card for like $40.00 shipping and >> all. It claims this: "Connects to up to 16 SAS or SATA drives". Given >> the number of drives and the price, that's good bang for buck there. > Take not on wether it allows you to address the drives individually or if it > only does its RAID thingy. For my own personal purposes, I'd never use > anything that trust my data to a single hardware component. I've heard > stories of raid cards that if they break, you need an identical replacement > or the data is kaputt. For that reason I only ever used software RAID which > makes me independent of the hardware underneath. I've read that too. If I do RAID, it will be software. I'd mix up WD, Seagate etc too. If I can't mix brand, I'd certainly want different batches of drives. It isn't much but it is something. I read once where there is a company that does that for you. You tell them what number of drives you need and how they will be set up and they pick them so that they are different brands and/or batches. We have all read about bad batches and I suspect at one time or another, every maker has had one. I have some things that are backed up on a external backup drive that is usually in my safe. Some things tho, such as family pictures, that I can not replace, those I also backup to DVDs or next time, Blu-rays. I found a good deal on a Blu-ray burner only to find out it is difficult to create Blu-ray movies. I don't think Linux has software to do that like Devede or something. I haven't found one anyway. >> You may want to make note of that for the future. Maybe you can find a >> good deal. It has some good reviews. I also found some good deals on >> SAS drives, new even. Some I found are pulls where they upgrade but >> never used the drives. If the price is right, I'm good with that. > Sounds like a plan. > >> You may want to look on Ebay for a Fractal Node 804, maybe Amazon too. > I was making suggestions for you, I am not looking myself. ;-) (Although > sometimes I wonder whether I should go for a 6-bay system, because I am at > around 80 % use of capacity now, and though shalt not go over that on ZFS. > But I have loads of DVDs that I can still convert to more efficient > compression, giving me back 100s of GB. That's a chore for the upcoming > holidays. > When I was planning the build, I think I also looked at the Node 304. But it > was too big for my taste (I like it small and compact) and had no hot swap. > I admit I never had any use for hotswapping yet, but it's nice to have and > to see the idividual HDD leds do their stuff. :) I only saw pics of it but the thing looks awesome and price here isn't bad at all. I just had to share. ;-) One never knows when it may come in handy either for you or someone else googling for this. >> I bought a Cooler Master HAF-932 years ago. As long as mobos fit in it, >> I'll use it for any future builds. It has great cooling and quite a bit >> of hard drive spaces. > My main PC case was chosen maxed out from the start for what I wanted to do > with it: one system SSD, one data HDD, one ODD (mainly to watch and store > video DVDs), one HDD hotswap bay (for old and external drives and for > backups), space for a not-too-big GPU. It's been running fine for over 6 > years now. Only downside: you get either well made cases, or compact cases. > It seems both in one case is not available. My case is made from thin > sheets, which makes the system louder to my ears than necessary. > My first rig was fairly large. It was noisy tho. Those 80mm fans were loud when I was doing updates and compiling stuff. That old CPU was pumping out heat too. When I built a new rig, I wanted something better. The HAF-932 is certainly that. I thought I'd never fill that thing up with drives but as it sits right now, I have one empty 3.5" bay left. I could use the 5.25" bays but those require longer cables. I try to plan for the future. Thing is, my crystal ball is broke. I still try tho. lol >> Looks pretty good too. I'm not into the LEDs and >> all that stuff. Just function, no glitzy stuff required. > Design is quite important for me. I don't want glossy surfaces, or > aggressive gamer designs. I like black boxes. Go ask my ThinkPad or my Eizo > monitor. :) > >> I likely need to jump into RAID but I just do backups. Then hope for the >> best. Weighing positives and negatives gets rough. ;-) > A bit OT now, going into the backup subject. > > I don't backup the NAS. People say RAID is not a backup. What they mean is > backup from accidental deletion or malware attacks. To me, it is a backup, > but from hardware defects. I use RaidZ2 (ZFS-speek for RAID 6), so any two > of the four drives may fail without loss of data. But with four drives, this > gives me a space efficiency of only 50 %, hence the thought of going 6-bay. > > The most
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Recommended location of the Gentoo ebuild repository
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 15:41:11 GMT Dale wrote: > >> This is true. Where can be set in make.conf and >> /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf. > I thought that setting this in make.conf was frowned on these days, no? > >From my understanding, the setting for the tree is in gentoo.conf. The setting for distfiles and packages are still set in make.conf. Since mine is not a default setting and it works, it must be using them otherwise it would be somewhere else or puking on my keyboard about something missing. Wouldn't it? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Recommended location of the Gentoo ebuild repository
On Wednesday, 16 December 2020 15:41:11 GMT Dale wrote: > This is true. Where can be set in make.conf and > /etc/portage/repos.conf/gentoo.conf. I thought that setting this in make.conf was frowned on these days, no? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] update fails, but I don't see why
On Sunday, 13 December 2020 10:07:42 GMT n952162 wrote: > If rust, llvm, firefox or thunderbird is in that list, I'll go crazy. You can avoid compiling rust by 'emerge -1 rust-bin && emerge -C rust'. I do that because it consumes huge amounts of resources and is only used in firefox building - here, at least. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
Am Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:01:21PM -0600 schrieb Dale: > > If you just want to use it as a file server, think of removing the video > > card. This will save considerable power. > > It would be a good idea but it's a built in mobo video system. If it > was a card, I'd likely do just that for the reason you give. Ah, I see. > I just found a IBM ServeRaid M1015 card for like $40.00 shipping and > all. It claims this: "Connects to up to 16 SAS or SATA drives". Given > the number of drives and the price, that's good bang for buck there. Take not on wether it allows you to address the drives individually or if it only does its RAID thingy. For my own personal purposes, I'd never use anything that trust my data to a single hardware component. I've heard stories of raid cards that if they break, you need an identical replacement or the data is kaputt. For that reason I only ever used software RAID which makes me independent of the hardware underneath. > You may want to make note of that for the future. Maybe you can find a > good deal. It has some good reviews. I also found some good deals on > SAS drives, new even. Some I found are pulls where they upgrade but > never used the drives. If the price is right, I'm good with that. Sounds like a plan. > You may want to look on Ebay for a Fractal Node 804, maybe Amazon too. I was making suggestions for you, I am not looking myself. ;-) (Although sometimes I wonder whether I should go for a 6-bay system, because I am at around 80 % use of capacity now, and though shalt not go over that on ZFS. But I have loads of DVDs that I can still convert to more efficient compression, giving me back 100s of GB. That's a chore for the upcoming holidays. When I was planning the build, I think I also looked at the Node 304. But it was too big for my taste (I like it small and compact) and had no hot swap. I admit I never had any use for hotswapping yet, but it's nice to have and to see the idividual HDD leds do their stuff. :) > I bought a Cooler Master HAF-932 years ago. As long as mobos fit in it, > I'll use it for any future builds. It has great cooling and quite a bit > of hard drive spaces. My main PC case was chosen maxed out from the start for what I wanted to do with it: one system SSD, one data HDD, one ODD (mainly to watch and store video DVDs), one HDD hotswap bay (for old and external drives and for backups), space for a not-too-big GPU. It's been running fine for over 6 years now. Only downside: you get either well made cases, or compact cases. It seems both in one case is not available. My case is made from thin sheets, which makes the system louder to my ears than necessary. > Looks pretty good too. I'm not into the LEDs and > all that stuff. Just function, no glitzy stuff required. Design is quite important for me. I don't want glossy surfaces, or aggressive gamer designs. I like black boxes. Go ask my ThinkPad or my Eizo monitor. :) > I likely need to jump into RAID but I just do backups. Then hope for the > best. Weighing positives and negatives gets rough. ;-) A bit OT now, going into the backup subject. I don't backup the NAS. People say RAID is not a backup. What they mean is backup from accidental deletion or malware attacks. To me, it is a backup, but from hardware defects. I use RaidZ2 (ZFS-speek for RAID 6), so any two of the four drives may fail without loss of data. But with four drives, this gives me a space efficiency of only 50 %, hence the thought of going 6-bay. The most regular "backup" I do is a unison sync of ~ and some other folders between PC and laptop. It is very fast and allows me to have everything that is important be up-to-date without much effort. But I've never backed up my teensie raspi (remember, it contains my PIM server) or my whole laptop ever since it got an upgrade to a 2 TB SSD. (My PC's data drive is only 1 TB.) Before I built my NAS, my largest drive was an external 3 TB USB drive. It was my main video storage (naturally w/o backup). Since I built the NAS, I've never used it again. So a few weeks ago, I repurposed it as my main backup drive. It's at least 6 years old, but only has ~280 hours on the meter. In the past, I only (semi-regularly) backed up my main PC via rsnapshot to an old 1 TB disk sitting permanently in the swap bay. I've always wanted to try out borg backup. Thanks to that, I now have a backup of my system, home and data partitions of my main PC *and* my laptop, plus the entire raspi. But due to to borg's deduplication magic, the 3 TB drive is only about half filled, even though it contains several weekly snapshots already, amounting to almost 7 TB across hosts. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Someone who hears butterflies laughing knows what clouds taste like. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] override PYTHON_TARGETS to avoid a slot collision
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 11:20:26 +0100
n952162 wrote:
> /Is there a fundamental goals issue here, when there's so much
> incompatibility between python3_{6,7,8,9}? Do packages really need
> to care? Are these versions so fundamentally different from each
> other, and programmers rely on those differences? Or, is this
> somebody's orderliness tic?/
This bothers me too as a developer. I have created and maintain small
python program. The program itself requires almost no maintenance and
as far as I remember it has been compatible with any Python 3 version
since 3.2. The only thing that needs constant maintenance is the ebuild
where a list of exact Python versions have to be updated with each new
major Python release:
PYTHON_COMPAT=( python3_{6..9} )
It is not even possible to "outsmart" it with 'python3_{6..255}' or
something similar to be future proof.
I do not know the reasoning for such handling of Python in Gentoo.
Maybe I am oversimplifying it but I'd expect that specifying
dependencies to Python will be simple as any other. Something like:
RDEPEND=">=dev-lang/python:3"
Why this is not the standard and recommended way?
Robert
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Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 6:21 AM Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > There is a saying in German tech culture: "Entweder sie geht oder sie geht > nicht." (either it works or it doesn't). The pun is on the pronunciation of > "sie geht" (it works), which sounds exactly like Seagate. → "Either Seagate > or Seagate... not." I'm saving this one for the novel I write one day... sie geht...nicht Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
Am Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:03:14AM + schrieb antlists: > On 20/12/2020 01:06, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Looking at 4 TB WD drives as an example, the cheapest > > SAS drive started at 145 €, but a WD RED NAS drive (intended for > > uninterrupted operation) at 93 €. > > BEWARE OF WD REDS !!! > > They *U*S*E*D* to have a good reputation. They are STILL marketed as > NAS/RAID drives but are pretty much guaranteed to dump your raid into an > unrecoverable mess once something goes wrong. I am aware of the problem and that we (actually through Dale) had this topic on this list. I built my NAS in 2017, IIRC, and back then there were no EFAX drives around. First I only bought two drives -- from two different retailers in order to minimise risk of batch failure. One year, when space became scarce, I filled the remaining two slots. I'm not really a WD fanboy in any way, but if I bought HDDs (which doesn't happen often to begin with) I always chose WD, because their model lines were easy to grasp through the colour codes. There is a saying in German tech culture: "Entweder sie geht oder sie geht nicht." (either it works or it doesn't). The pun is on the pronunciation of "sie geht" (it works), which sounds exactly like Seagate. → "Either Seagate or Seagate... not." -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Why marry? Leasing is so much easier! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Rearranging hard drives and data.
On 20/12/2020 01:06, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Looking at 4 TB WD drives as an example, the cheapest SAS drive started at 145 €, but a WD RED NAS drive (intended for uninterrupted operation) at 93 €. BEWARE OF WD REDS !!! They *U*S*E*D* to have a good reputation. They are STILL marketed as NAS/RAID drives but are pretty much guaranteed to dump your raid into an unrecoverable mess once something goes wrong. They've recently been moved over to shingle technology. Which means delays in response time of maybe TEN minutes if you overload them and they have to start a garbage collect. If you don't want shingled drives, you need a Red Pro, Seagate Ironwolf, or a Toshiba I think it's N300. If you don't care about conventional/shingled, get something cheaper - a Blue, or Barracuda, or whatever. Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] How do I remove pam during/after an install.
On 20/12/2020 02:19, John Covici wrote: OK, pardon my ignorance, what is wrong with pam? Aside from the fact that when you change versions you have to reboot or restart just about everything. There's a lot of people out there (like me) who've never had the (mis?)fortune to deal with it. And if it breaks, it leaves you with a system that is a pain in the arse to recover. In other words, I don't care how good it is, I don't want to be forced to learn it in a hurry because otherwise I can't get in to my system. Cheers, Wol
