Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:34 PM Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 24/09/2018 13:11, R0b0t1 wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras > > wrote: > >> > >> To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through > >> clickbait? > >> > > > > If you had not

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Ста Деюс wrote: > >> Why bash script (the install script), that works in "Debian", does > >> not > >> work on "Gentoo" install CD, giving me syntax errors (basically > >> related to '(', ')' and ''')? In the script is the interpreter

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo rocks

2017-05-19 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > It's about one year now since I locked myself in my room for a month and > installed gentoo :-) > A month? Dear lord. https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/man-loses-will-to-live-during-gentoo-install/ We shouldn't be

Re: [gentoo-user] Me, and how to troll LIKE A BOSS.

2016-06-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Alan Grimes wrote: > > anything intelligent if I tried. Back in the golden age, for about ten > years even! my approach to updating my system worked great. Then emerge > got ornery and stopped letting the necessary, cathartic, inevitable, >

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird "df" output

2015-11-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Nov 26, 2015 08:30, "lee" wrote: > waltd...@waltdnes.org writes: > > compromised with a small / partition, with empty /home, /opt, /var, > > /usr, and /tmp directories. Their real equivalents are bind-mounted > > from a much larger partition. > > Why don't you just mount the

Re: [gentoo-user] ssh -X problem [no help sofar on ssh group]

2014-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: This properly belongs on the ssh group, but posting there has not gotten any responses... and the list is quite slow to boot. I like using ssh -X to other lan remotes but with new versions of openssh or perhaps the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Custom ebuilds for CoreOS

2014-12-03 Thread Mark David Dumlao
, December 03, 2014 02:39:53 AM Mark David Dumlao wrote: Why do I get the feeling that this is another episode of the i hate LennartSoft(tm) too circlejerk on the gentoo mailing list? Why do I get the feeling you just want another flamewar? I don't see any mention of systemd or anything else written

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Custom ebuilds for CoreOS

2014-12-02 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Why do I get the feeling that this is another episode of the i hate LennartSoft(tm) too circlejerk on the gentoo mailing list? this mailing list used to be about gentoo. On Dec 3, 2014 1:38 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: is integration

Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd and PyTimeChart

2014-09-23 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 24, 2014 2:34 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hello PyTimeChart is another wonderful tool that complements Ftrace/trace-cmd/KernelShark. [1] The systemd supporters would be keenly wise if they added pytimechart to Gentoo, so those (systemd) reticent to change, can actually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 21, 2014 5:10 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Point is he's trying to paint the picture that systemd folks rattle on and on about its speed, but they don't. The speed argument/anti-argument can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: On 09/17/2014 10:40 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Fact is if it's _you_ that seems to give a tweet about systemd speed, so it's on _you_ to measure it, I don't really care what you think. The fact that you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-09-18, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: I am deluded? Who again posted systemd propaganda again? Point is he's trying to paint the picture that systemd folks rattle on and on about its speed, but they don't. except when they do. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.09.2014 um 01:24 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:11 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: You're the only one

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.09.2014 um 01:24 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:11 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-09-20, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run systemd. You

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-09-20, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 2:37 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 18:06 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it. iTWire posted an interview with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 5:19 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Uh, the only thing the Linux kernel does is spawn a single process as PID 1 and offer a VERY STABLE system call interface for that and future processes to make requests. Nobody is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data is I'm sorry, I must have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:46 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics; Choice; Unreasonable? The classic open source answer to being told to do a lot of work on publicly available data Ah, here is some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 17.09.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Mark David Dumlao: On Sep 18, 2014 5:36 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: Publish perfomanced metrics

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:11 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao madumlao at gmail.com writes: You're the only one in this thread that's imposing on everyone to produce anything. You're the only one in this thread that SHOULD be producing anything. That's how open

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. If you wanted to measure both, you could

Re: [gentoo-user] Is systemd-journald a complete replacement for sysklogd?

2014-09-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
It is, but. You'll have to get used to running and searching via journalctl instead of processing the logs directly. Journal is not persistent across reboots by default, but you can reconfigure it to be. (just create /var/log/journal) Last I recall you won't get fine-grained per-daemon space

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Regular user can't mount/unmount mtpfs; root is OK

2014-07-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:49 AM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/23/2014 09:59 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: I sent this a day or 2 ago, but it doesn't show up on the list for me. Apologies to anyone seeing a duplicate. I'm a total noobie at mtpfs/FUSE. My excellent adventure started

Re: [gentoo-user] Demise of Truecrypt - surprised I haven't seen t his discussed here yet?

2014-06-02 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:53:51 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: I'm considering encrypting my home partition one of these days. Given the things that have come out in recent months, back doors and such, what is a good

Re: [gentoo-user] Output of mount and cat /etc/mtab inside install chroot?

2014-04-19 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Saturday 19 Apr 2014 07:43:18 Walter Dnes wrote: I've got another thread going called... Strange behaviour with LILO on new install on old laptop. Before I file a bug report, I want to check first whether it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-03-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 25/03/14, J. Roeleveld wrote: It has already been determined that on this list we do not want extra CCs, I think you have determined this on your side (I'm not doing a personal attack, you is not you alone).

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: 24.02.2014 02:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: [1] For lack of a better term, let's just call systemd here a system controller. What is this ONE thing a system controller should do and do it well? An init daemon generally

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: 24.02.2014 16:39, Mark David Dumlao пишет: On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: 24.02.2014 02:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: [1] For lack of a better term, let's just call systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 24.02.2014 18:33, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Sorry but I think I was quite clear: An init daemon generally does one thing well. Following a Unix way design, Everything else should be done by something else

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/02/2014 01:12, Mick wrote: On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-20 10:36 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a very

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:14 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Thu, February 20, 2014 06:34, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:00 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tue,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbellli...@sporkbox.us wrote: For

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-18 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin. The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/02/2014 17:29, Stroller wrote: On Sun, 16 February 2014, at 4:41 pm, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: ... Whatever problems Red Hat are trying to solve in the Red Hat space are problems that do

Re: [gentoo-user] USE ruby_targets_ruby20

2013-11-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, If possible please phrase your response in a way that will make sense to someone who was no idea what is ruby, has no desire to learn what is ruby, and who doesn't [directly] even want ruby on his

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-20 9:14 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Linus isnt actually actively developing the kernel nowadays. Mostly he just merges commits from his trusted lieutenants in charge of various

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-21 6:11 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt he actually has the time to read every line of code submitted to the kernel, That isn't what I meant at all... What he *does* have

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Oct 21, 2013 7:01 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-21 6:48 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Again. This power is overstated and overtrusted. As for rip it out at its roots he has no ability to do that, only refuse to merge it in his tree. Which I

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-20 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Oct 20, 2013 10:44 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-20 6:52 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to *make*? You don't

[gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?

2013-10-17 Thread Mark David Dumlao
https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup management besides systemd, in practice the cgroups implementation in Linux wasn't very consistent. So since systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have been doing it that way for well over a decade. Only it's not, since

Re: [gentoo-user] Mantle Open source GPU engine

2013-10-05 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:20:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: computer gaming (yawn)... Think again. What is the driving force behind all the super-duper performance hardware you have right now? Gaming.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-01 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some random arb time later in the startup sequence and just expect things to work out fine that is broken. It just happened

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-01 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some random arb time later in the startup sequence

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-09-30 04:05, Mark David Dumlao wrote: are the same. Distro packagers, however, have to decide for 100% of the cases. So they're going to end up making weird decisions that are easy for you to second-guess but are actually

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote: On 29.09.2013 20:25, Dale wrote: Simple, I have never had to resize / or /boot before. I have had to resize /usr, /var and /home several times tho. THAT is the reason. For me, it doesn't matter if it is rational to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) klond...@gentoo.org wrote: Ohh and BTW, /usr was not just added because someone added a harddrive, in most cases it was used to allow machines contain a very small system on / which was enough to just boot and mount a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) klond...@gentoo.org wrote: Ohh and BTW, /usr was not just added because someone added a harddrive, in most cases it was used to allow machines

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I chose

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr instead of /bin or /sbin. They've created a mess for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr instead of /bin or /sbin. They've created a mess for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available is system-critical. I run samba and don't need it for boot, but like you said, someone may need that. I wouldn't see a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance of order among where different parts of a system go. Shoving everything into /usr and symlinking everything else seems like

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 08:51 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: It's fairly obvious (to me, anyway) that anything mounting a filesystem and making it available

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 09/29/2013 09:05 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: Anyway, I'm not in favor of FHS _per se_, but it sounds pretty reasonable to have some semblance

Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 01:00:06AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote * Separate /usr worked fine for AGES, until... Do you see a pattern developing here? seperate /usr has stopped working fine AGES AGO. Just

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location

2013-09-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Sep 30, 2013 9:31 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: --- le snip --- If the proposed solution is all binaries and libraries in the same root/prefix directory, then why call it /usr? My question exactly.

Re: [gentoo-user] look for a file type + sort

2013-09-13 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 13.09.2013 10:24, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: [ ... ] This one should work: find /home/joseph/ -iname *.pdf -exec ls -l --sort=time {} + -exec is not suitable here because it spawns a `ls` process per each

Re: [gentoo-user] look for a file type + sort

2013-09-13 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 13.09.2013 17:43, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 13.09.2013 10:24, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: [ ... ] This one should work: find /home/joseph

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-09-04 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: the disk... OOPS. This is a classic chicken and egg situation. On Solaris no problem with loadable modules - everything is dynamically loaded

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-09-01 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sep 2, 2013 5:21 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 09:49:23AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute.

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-31 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a problem that's already solved by installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running module-rebuild rebuild

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-31 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS inside. See

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-31 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I usally use ext4 as filesystem. # lsmod|grep ext ext3 100768 0 jbd39586 1 ext3 ext2 49572 0 ext4 263621 1 crc16 1255 2

Re: Integrated ZFS for Gentoo - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote: Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd

Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?

2013-08-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Mark, hi William, the script ds3231 in /etc/init.d is -- according to rc-update -- set as folows: ds3231 | boot Long and short of it, here's the boot order: sysinit - boot - (single) - default rc(8) tells me

Re: [gentoo-user] Makeing /dev/rtc1 accessible as soon as possible - how?

2013-08-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Which runlevel did you put your script on? You probably want it on sysinit, rather than default. Also, you can put rc_before= and rc_after= in the corresponding /etc/conf.d/ file and make sure it runs before your syslog but after your sysfs. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Aug 22, 2013 1:28 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: Correct, and here lies the cause for the out of sync scenario. So the only out of sync scenario that should matter is with the kernel or kernel modules. Even if it were out of sync with your current toolset it should still be

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and initramfs

2013-08-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-20 2:54 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you want to learn the ins and outs of using an initramfs (and having a lot of fun and failed boots in the process), I highly recommend using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-19 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote: On 08/19/2013 12:52 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:54 AM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo

2013-08-18 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:54 AM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL monolithic development philosophy to break what we have. Is Poettering the only developer available to the Linux world? Are RHL

Re: [gentoo-user] a couple of systemd questions

2013-07-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
The proper way to figure out what failed to start and why is to use systemctl # list of running services systemctl # status of particular service systemctl status name-of-service Now if your concern is the service loading order, then you're really talking about problems in your unit files,

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

2013-07-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
walt, are you using pam_systemd? I have a hunch that systemd-logind should still work.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
systemd.unit (5) systemd.service (5) On Jul 28, 2013 6:26 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2013 06:39 AM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: must I check that every entry previously in /etc/init.d now has an entry in /usr/lib/systemd/system? What do I do if

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. But yeah you usually stay away from unmaintained upstreams. On Jul 22, 2013 11:03 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: ConsoleKit is for

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: maybe you should not just believe everything

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thanks for the FUD. On Jul 22, 2013 11:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security?

Re: [gentoo-user] pop up windows with text message

2013-07-10 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Btw, rather than directly opening a terminal window, you may want to use the notify-send api / command line to do your popup. That way it gets rendered natively by your desktop of choice, and you don't have to fuss about searching which DISPLAY variable X is running on. You can do something like

[gentoo-user] VT switch kills X on return.

2013-06-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
My primary suspect is my pam / systemd setup. If I am on X, and I ctrl+alt+f1, I switch to a terminal. ps aux shows that all my programs are still running. However, if I alt+f7 back, the X server immediately dies and I get sent back to my login prompt. Clearly I'm missing something important.

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome not working

2013-05-16 Thread Mark David Dumlao
TLDR: because systemd replaces consolekit with logind, programs that depend on consolekit to determine which session they're in may fail to do so unless they are also built with systemd support and the relevant pam session lines are enabled. This causes several silent failures and may prevent your

Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

2013-05-10 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Fri, 10 May 2013 03:15:25 -0500 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: [...] I'm glad you posted this. I thought maybe I had hit a time warp or something. Since he posted it twice, I guess he still doesn't like it. :/ Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-27 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: 'evening, Mark. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:48:07PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote Analogy: 99% of people aren't going to need a11y. But the whole point of installing it by default on most desktop systems is that you can't predict who

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio enforced on users without very good cause How much barefaced lying can you do in one sentence? 1) it's not enforced _on you_. USE=-pulse 2) bluetooth

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/20/2013 05:34 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:28:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote [snip] If you need it, PA can be great. Not everyone needs or wants it, many people are quite content to just

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for me on my computers. Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread, though, and you'll get the impression that some

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: If GNOME has to support PA and non-pa systems, they need to code, test, support and bug-fix 2 different sets of of systems. If they need to support ConsoleKit and logind, the number grows to 4 (PA/ck, PA/logind, non-PA/ck,

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-26 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: Thanks, it really doesn't look like forcing. On the higher level, there must be some politics going on; that's also not forcing, but politics. On the lower level (that of users) one's always got the worst case to

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Alecks Gates aleck...@gmail.com wrote: Not that it likely affects a lot of people, but pulseaudio can transmit sound over the network to other pulseaudio servers -- a possible use case I can think of are media centers, though I'm sure there's more. There's

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require complex software... deal with it. An analogy is that an 18-wheeler semi-tractor trailer with a 17-speed manual transmission (plus air brakes that

Re: [gentoo-user] mkfs.reiserfs hangs system?

2013-04-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Can't get to see dmesg, the system locked up tight. I can create an ext4 fs on a different partition, and since the 'disk' is actually a RAID array, if the array is going south, I should see the same problem with ext4,

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-25 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: On 25.04.2013 19:48, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require complex software... deal

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio

2013-04-19 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat 20 Apr 2013 04:36:34 AM PHT, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 19.04.2013 15:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Take a look at this: https://plus.google.com/photos/115256116066287398549/albums/5778609034682831121/5778849461325756466 That's me selecting with a click of the mouse if I want

Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 vs udev-200??

2013-03-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On 03/30/2013 11:24 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok, I don't understand this... Why is it that when I comment out the package.mask entries for udev: #=sys-fs/udev-181 #=virtual/udev-181 emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-15 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:47:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: There's no need to rebuild everything, and those other flags make no sense when using -e. Generally you only need emerge -uaD --changed-use @world I

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