On 12/8/09, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> Let me emphasise yet again: the way I do things has been successful
>> on 2 machines for more than 6 years; it's others who have problems
>> doing it their way & regularly seek advice on this list as a result.
>
> Let me correct you there:
>
> The experience
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:46:18 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> One of the major deficiencies of Gentoo is
> >> that it doesn't provide such a file automatically.
> > emerge -p @system
> > emerge -p @world
>
> root:501 ~> emerge -p @system
> !!! '@system' is not a valid package atom.
> !
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 00:46:18 Philip Webb wrote:
091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
where they are marked with 'W' & system pkgs with 'S'
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 00:46:18 Philip Webb wrote:
> 091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
> >> where they are marked with 'W' & system pkgs with 'S'.
> >> Yes, I do have to
091207 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>> I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
>> where they are marked with 'W' & system pkgs with 'S'.
>> Yes, I do have to keep it upto-date as I do emerges.
>> One of the major deficiencie
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become
very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every
case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used e
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:49:44 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> I know that from my home-made list of pkgs which I have installed,
> where they are marked with 'W' & system pkgs with 'S'.
> Yes, I do have to keep it upto-date as I do emerges.
> One of the major deficiencies of Gentoo is
> that it doesn't
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >> Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become
> >> very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every
> >> case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
> >> shouldn't be used either o
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:53:41 +0900, daid kahl wrote:
> On that note, I'd like to ask a question I was going to post or email
> about. Can I comment the world file. More interestingly, is there a
> way to pass portage a comment to stick in world above the package?
> This would be really damn usefu
091206 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote:
>> Please read what I said & hopefully think briefly before responding.
>> If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge ';
>> if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 '.
>> That keeps everything in
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On 5/12/2009, "Philip Webb" wrote:
> >Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing.
> >If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it.
>
> I've been using a separate partition on an existing machine to
On Saturday 05 December 2009 16:26:48 I wrote:
> * The current test system had a series of KDE-4 problems, which I thought
> must have been caused by the patch bug, but simply remerging everything
> installed since then hadn't fixed them.
Not only has it not fixed the earlier problems - now I hav
daid kahl wrote:
I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do,
but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list
would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'.
My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'.
Really, does somethin
On Saturday 05 December 2009 22:14:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed
> manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up.
> Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you
> want it and wh
On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote:
> Please read what I said & hopefully think briefly before responding.
> If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge ';
> if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 '.
> That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch wha
> I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do,
> but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list
> would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'.
> My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'.
>
> Really, does something like t
091205 Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there.
> If he is using the command he typed in, his world file is going to be huge.
> He is doing the updates individually without a -u or a -1 or anything else.
> That means every time he
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote:
Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very
familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case.
If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
shouldn't be used
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> 091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
> >> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs
> >> which have
091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
>> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
>> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
>> have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emer
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very
> familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case.
> If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option
> shouldn't be used either otherwise a
On 5/12/2009, "Philip Webb" wrote:
>Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing.
>If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it.
I've been using a separate partition on an existing machine to run a
~amd64 system for evaluation, and yesterday I got my
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in
> > case of problems only takes seconds.
>
> Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very e
>>> 2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
>>> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
>>> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
>> I kindly disagree.
>
>> ~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild. It's considered stable upstream.
>> This was an upstream bug, not a Gen
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in
> case of problems only takes seconds.
Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily.
--
Neil Bothwick
Old hitchhikers never die-they
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
>
> Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of
> 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which
> have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is
> recommended, then indiv
Philip Webb wrote:
The defective version of 'patch' had got into 'testing',
where the only remaining problems are supposed to be in the ebuild;
in fact in this case, there was still a serious problem upstream
& that version of 'patch' has been re-masked (I believe).
Anyway, don't do testing on t
091205 daid kahl wrote:
>> 2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
>> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
>> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
> I kindly disagree.
Thanks for the "kindly": I thought I'd walked into a high-school locker room.
> ~[arch] is te
> 2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
I kindly disagree. ~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild. It's
considered stable upstream.
This was an upstream bug, not a Gentoo bug.
And,
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb:
> Seems as if I have to simply manage that to-rebuild-list myself ..
my rebuild-list crashed at kde-misc/kdnssd-avahi, interesting on a
gnome-system ...
k3b depends on kdelibs and I have useflag avahi for that, hmmm ...
I removed it from my list and emerge the rest
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 19:59:35 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Alan McKinnon schrieb:
> > Most folk now have to rebuild 70 - 300 packages, I'm stuck with
> > potentially 1472
>
> I feel with you ... fortunately the cpus should do it on their own,
> accompanied by some fans ;-)
>
> -
>
> A
Alan McKinnon schrieb:
> Most folk now have to rebuild 70 - 300 packages, I'm stuck with
> potentially 1472
I feel with you ... fortunately the cpus should do it on their own,
accompanied by some fans ;-)
-
Any idea how to elegantly split that job into some digestible chunks?
The various qlo
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:48:16AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> 2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
(0) Never speak on that which you know not.
--
... _._. ._ ._. . _
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:48:16 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> 2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems:
> (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs;
Then how do they get tested?
> (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag.
What difference does this make? It shows an update for w
On 12/02/2009 04:48 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-servi
On Mittwoch 02 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:45:21 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > Yep, this bug was a major annoyance for me too. I emerged patch-2.6 on
> > November 15 and since then, being on ~amd64, a *lot* of other packages.
> > After downgrading, I needed
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:30:37 +0200, Alan McKinnon
wrote:
> Of course I ran emerge -p. Well actually I run emerge -a but the effect
is
> the
> same - see what's going to be installed before it's installed. Until a
> week
> ago no-one knew the effects patch-2.6.0 would have so when it appears in
>
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 16:48:16 Philip Webb wrote:
> 091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>> Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
> >>> http://blog.fla
091202 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
>>> http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-service-announcement-keep-clear-of-gnu-p
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:45:21 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Yep, this bug was a major annoyance for me too. I emerged patch-2.6 on
> November 15 and since then, being on ~amd64, a *lot* of other packages.
> After downgrading, I needed to rebuild about 300 packages, including
> all of KDE4
On 12/02/2009 12:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 18:02:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Everyone should read the following and follow the advice given:
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/12/01/gentoo-service-announcement-keep-clear-
of-gnu-patch-2-6
I emerged patch-2.60 when
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