Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On 12/5/18 1:34 PM, james wrote: Hello Dan:: lots of good suggestions. you can look in /usr/portage/x11/wm (or whereevery /etc/portage/x11-wm for a listing of what in the tree for smaller. I have been wanting to try lumina:: https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ "does not require PolicyKit, HAL or systemd" if you have a few/limited scope of codes to run, it might just be what you are looking for.. good_hunting, James I've tried a few now (windowmaker, icewm, fluxbox, and the lumina desktop.) I think for my needs fluxbox and eterm are all I need. That Lumina desktop looks interesting, but I couldn't get it to start on my machine. It went through the startup of the desktop, but as soon as it showed me the desktop something crashed (I think??) Looking through the logs I found this for the Lumina desktop: qt.qpa.xcb: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 1 (BadRequest), sequence: 627, resource id: 6291470, major code: 142 (Unknown), minor code: 1 But Google reveals nothing. So fluxbox it is! Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On 12/1/18 11:21 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) and > am making progress. > > I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I am > normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for something. > > Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I > have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly and > sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I use > Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all stems from > occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the ability to have > two shells open side by side. > > I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point and > have found something that's lightweight for this type of purpose. > > Dan > > Hello Dan:: lots of good suggestions. you can look in /usr/portage/x11/wm (or whereevery /etc/portage/x11-wm for a listing of what in the tree for smaller. I have been wanting to try lumina:: https://lumina-desktop.org/features/ "does not require PolicyKit, HAL or systemd" if you have a few/limited scope of codes to run, it might just be what you are looking for.. good_hunting, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
# ssh -Y @ "@" is optional. Without it, ssh will use the username you are using on the client. "" is either an IP address or, if you have a hosts file or DNS server configured, the hostname. The "-Y" sorts out the forwarding for X applications. -- Joost On December 4, 2018 5:26:09 AM UTC, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> On 2018-12-03, Thomas Mueller wrote: > >> > I see also the suggestion > >> > $ ssh -Y > >> > but what would be the syntax for specifying where >> > is a different computer on the same local network? > >> Does it have an IP address? > >> Grant Edwards > >I see where I missed changing the Subject from an old message: >embarrassing on me. > >Being on the same local network, the other machine would have an >intranet IP address of 192.168.0.x, where x would be a number >= 2. > >I have mounted file systems by NFS but have never accessed an X server >by ssh. I don't think I ever used ssh command directly. > >Tom -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
> On 2018-12-03, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I see also the suggestion > > $ ssh -Y > > but what would be the syntax for specifying where > > is a different computer on the same local network? > Does it have an IP address? > Grant Edwards I see where I missed changing the Subject from an old message: embarrassing on me. Being on the same local network, the other machine would have an intranet IP address of 192.168.0.x, where x would be a number >= 2. I have mounted file systems by NFS but have never accessed an X server by ssh. I don't think I ever used ssh command directly. Tom
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 04:21:19 GMT Daniel Frey wrote: > I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) and > am making progress. > > I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I am > normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for something. > > Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I > have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly and > sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I use > Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all stems from > occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the ability to have > two shells open side by side. > > I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point and > have found something that's lightweight for this type of purpose. I've just noticed this: [N] x11-wm/xpra ((~)2.2.6-r1): X Persistent Remote Apps (xpra) and Partitioning WM (parti) based on wimpiggy I haven't looked into it, but it may perhaps offer something useful. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On 2018.12.01 23:21, Daniel Frey wrote: I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) and am making progress. I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I am normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for something. Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly and sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I use Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all stems from occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the ability to have two shells open side by side. I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point and have found something that's lightweight for this type of purpose. Dan What about not installing xorg at all on that box, and just ssh'ing in from a different PC with full desktop setup when you need a gui? Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On Sunday, 2 December 2018 09:20:13 GMT Róbert Čerňanský wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:38:01 -0600 > > Dale wrote: > > Daniel Frey wrote: > > > I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) > > > and am making progress. > > > > > > I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I > > > am normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for > > > something. > > > > > > Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I > > > have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly > > > and sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I > > > use Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all > > > stems from occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the > > > ability to have two shells open side by side. > > > > > > I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point > > > and have found something that's lightweight for this type of > > > purpose. > > > > > > Dan > > > > It's been a while but last I used Fluxbox, it was tiny. If you just > > do a basic install, it isn't much to it. Of course, it isn't feature > > rich either but it should run well on a low powered machine or > > consume very little resources on a bigger system. I've got two > > fluxbox packages installed here. Here is some info on them. > > > > > > root@fireball / # equery s x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod > > x11-wm/fluxbox > > * x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod-20050128-r1 > > Total files : 1539 > > Total size : 4.22 MiB > > > > * x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r3 > > Total files : 339 > > Total size : 3.89 MiB > > root@fireball / # > > Windowmaker is also a good choice. I'm still using for main desktop. > > $ equery s windowmaker > * x11-wm/windowmaker-0.95.8-r1 > Total files : 495 > Total size : 5.76 MiB > > Or you may consider forwarding X to the machine you are connecting > from: > > $ ssh -Y > > Then start whatever X application you need and it will be displayed on > your local machine. You do not need window manager on the server. > > Robert It hasn't been mentioned, but if the main use case is to have more than one terminal running in the same login session, you could use tmux on a console and split that into multiple terminals on the same screen. If you try enlightenment you should use the old e16, which is relatively lightweight and still maintained. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:38:01 -0600 Dale wrote: > Daniel Frey wrote: > > I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) > > and am making progress. > > > > I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I > > am normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for > > something. > > > > Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I > > have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly > > and sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I > > use Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all > > stems from occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the > > ability to have two shells open side by side. > > > > I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point > > and have found something that's lightweight for this type of > > purpose. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > It's been a while but last I used Fluxbox, it was tiny. If you just > do a basic install, it isn't much to it. Of course, it isn't feature > rich either but it should run well on a low powered machine or > consume very little resources on a bigger system. I've got two > fluxbox packages installed here. Here is some info on them. > > > root@fireball / # equery s x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod > x11-wm/fluxbox > * x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod-20050128-r1 > Total files : 1539 > Total size : 4.22 MiB > > * x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r3 > Total files : 339 > Total size : 3.89 MiB > root@fireball / # Windowmaker is also a good choice. I'm still using for main desktop. $ equery s windowmaker * x11-wm/windowmaker-0.95.8-r1 Total files : 495 Total size : 5.76 MiB Or you may consider forwarding X to the machine you are connecting from: $ ssh -Y Then start whatever X application you need and it will be displayed on your local machine. You do not need window manager on the server. Robert -- Róbert Čerňanský E-mail: ope...@tightmail.com Jabber: h...@jabber.sk
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On 12/1/18 9:07 PM, Dale wrote: You may want to google to be sure but I think the command can be something like: startx Should be /usr/bin/fluxbox. That's if you want to start it manually each time. There are others ways if you want. I think the only requirement is a working video card driver, nvidia-drivers in my case. Hope you find something you like. You are right, there are a LOT of them out there. Dale :-) :-) I decided to follow the wiki entry for fluxbox. Simply using `exec startfluxbox` was enough to get me started. I'm currently trying a couple terminals. xterm is pretty basic, I tried eterm based on fluxbox's recommendation (but the package in gentoo doesn't have a maintainer...) and am compiling gnusteps-apps/terminal that was recommended as a decent terminal app. That one has a few dependencies, including clang, but we'll see how it performs. Fluxbox is so light that I'm considering using it on my mythtv frontends with a terminal that I haven't quite decided on yet as a backup in case I need to do troubleshooting. Dan Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
Daniel Frey wrote: > On 12/1/18 8:38 PM, Dale wrote: >> It's been a while but last I used Fluxbox, it was tiny. If you just do >> a basic install, it isn't much to it. Of course, it isn't feature rich >> either but it should run well on a low powered machine or consume very >> little resources on a bigger system. I've got two fluxbox packages >> installed here. Here is some info on them. >> >> >> root@fireball / # equery s x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod >> x11-wm/fluxbox >> * x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod-20050128-r1 >> Total files : 1539 >> Total size : 4.22 MiB >> >> * x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r3 >> Total files : 339 >> Total size : 3.89 MiB >> root@fireball / # >> >> >> I'm not sure the top one is needed. I think I installed it so I could >> tweak a few things. At one point, I thought about switching, back when >> KDE was a disaster. >> >> I'm sure others will have ideas but you may want to check into Fluxbos. >> Install time is pretty short. If you don't like it, just unmerge it. I >> keep it installed here just in case a KDE update goes sideways. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> > > Thanks Dale! > > After the new stable 4.14.x kernel finishes compiling I think I'll > give that a try. I completely forgot about fluxbox. The one I was > thinking about was maybe enlightenment, but there are likely many of > these things out there. > > On that machine I don't even boot to a login manager of any sort. So > keeping things simple is great. > > Dan > > You may want to google to be sure but I think the command can be something like: startx Should be /usr/bin/fluxbox. That's if you want to start it manually each time. There are others ways if you want. I think the only requirement is a working video card driver, nvidia-drivers in my case. Hope you find something you like. You are right, there are a LOT of them out there. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
On 12/1/18 8:38 PM, Dale wrote: It's been a while but last I used Fluxbox, it was tiny. If you just do a basic install, it isn't much to it. Of course, it isn't feature rich either but it should run well on a low powered machine or consume very little resources on a bigger system. I've got two fluxbox packages installed here. Here is some info on them. root@fireball / # equery s x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod x11-wm/fluxbox * x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod-20050128-r1 Total files : 1539 Total size : 4.22 MiB * x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r3 Total files : 339 Total size : 3.89 MiB root@fireball / # I'm not sure the top one is needed. I think I installed it so I could tweak a few things. At one point, I thought about switching, back when KDE was a disaster. I'm sure others will have ideas but you may want to check into Fluxbos. Install time is pretty short. If you don't like it, just unmerge it. I keep it installed here just in case a KDE update goes sideways. Dale :-) :-) Thanks Dale! After the new stable 4.14.x kernel finishes compiling I think I'll give that a try. I completely forgot about fluxbox. The one I was thinking about was maybe enlightenment, but there are likely many of these things out there. On that machine I don't even boot to a login manager of any sort. So keeping things simple is great. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
Daniel Frey wrote: > I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) and > am making progress. > > I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I am > normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for something. > > Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I > have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly and > sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I use > Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all stems from > occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the ability to > have two shells open side by side. > > I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point > and have found something that's lightweight for this type of purpose. > > Dan > > It's been a while but last I used Fluxbox, it was tiny. If you just do a basic install, it isn't much to it. Of course, it isn't feature rich either but it should run well on a low powered machine or consume very little resources on a bigger system. I've got two fluxbox packages installed here. Here is some info on them. root@fireball / # equery s x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod x11-wm/fluxbox * x11-themes/fluxbox-styles-fluxmod-20050128-r1 Total files : 1539 Total size : 4.22 MiB * x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r3 Total files : 339 Total size : 3.89 MiB root@fireball / # I'm not sure the top one is needed. I think I installed it so I could tweak a few things. At one point, I thought about switching, back when KDE was a disaster. I'm sure others will have ideas but you may want to check into Fluxbos. Install time is pretty short. If you don't like it, just unmerge it. I keep it installed here just in case a KDE update goes sideways. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Small (as in footprint) window manager
I've been trying to clean up my machines (pruning world file, etc) and am making progress. I ran into one issue, that being on my server (mythtv, file, etc) I am normally in text/ssh mode but occasionally I need X for something. Does anyone have suggestions for a small-footprint window manager (I have no need for a full desktop environment) as twm is just fugly and sometimes not intuitive. I also don't need a file manager as I use Midnight Commander which works well for my needs. This all stems from occasionally needing a gui for configuring mythtv or the ability to have two shells open side by side. I am thinking others have most likely had this problem at some point and have found something that's lightweight for this type of purpose. Dan
