Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-17 Thread du yang
On Saturday 10/15/11 00:05:35 CST, Lavender wrote: It's my fault, there're no line-breaks because I wrote the letters exactly like what the screenshot shows . I will write just like this letter. No more questions , good evening and tomorrow is a nice day ! A little tip about your mail

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Oct 15, 2011 1:58 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now.  I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again.  :-P

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 00:50:22 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Canek, Hi Michael. On Saturday, 15. October 2011 00:50:22 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and relevant. My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more there that are not databases at all. So? Which one? That /var is not going

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and relevant. My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM,

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM,

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:21:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauergrim...@gmx.de wrote: I would. But given the way udev people solve those issues, I don't. If something on /var is needed during boot in the next ten years, they will propose to move it to /. They do it with

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:21:18 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:02:13 Canek Peláez

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauergrim...@gmx.de  wrote: I would. But given the way udev people solve those issues, I don't. If something on /var is needed during boot in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Saturday, 15. October 2011 03:34:27 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 03:34:27 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 03:10:37 -0700, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It's arbitrary (basically) on executables and libraries. If an script needs something more (from /var, lets say), then the rule should be written in such a way that it can be called after that directory is mounted. If you try to

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Sat, 15 Oct 2011 12:31:24 +0100 schrieb Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 03:10:37 -0700, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: It's arbitrary (basically) on executables and libraries. If an script needs something more (from /var, lets say), then the rule should be written in

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: /var != /var/run /var != /var/lock /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock also is going into /run/lock. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:34:10 -0700 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: It basically removes the need for a pesky init* thingy, although for the life of me I cannot understand why someone will not see the technical advantages of actually using an initramfs. I'll use your own opening

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread pk
On 2011-10-15 11:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Yes, as I said in my last mail, if you need LVM, you need an initramfs. Remove the LVM, and you can have /var (and /usr for that matter) withouth an initramfs. Where/when did I say something different? I assume you mean: if you need LVM for /,

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
Wow. Just wow. GREAT way to confuse and welcome the poor-English Chinese guy. Welcome Lavender. You are now officially recognized as a human being, not a bot. We'll be glad to help you with Gentoo. Please ignore all the FUD and discussion about /var needing (or not) to be in the root partition,

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Michael Schreckenbauergrim...@gmx.de wrote: I would. But given the way udev people solve those issues, I don't. If something on /var is

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:34:10 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I noticed the other day that when LVM tries to start, it fails. I have /var on a separate partition here. It was complaining about something on /var missing. So, you may be late in reporting this. I think it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, October 15, 2011 03:34:27 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:47:26 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Claudio, hi Lavender, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 13:46:31 Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Wow. Just wow. :) GREAT way to confuse and welcome the poor-English Chinese guy. Welcome Lavender. You are now officially recognized as a human being, not a bot. We'll be glad to help you

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Canek, On Saturday, 15. October 2011 04:04:05 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I got that points wrong, I admit. I repeat, 3am here ;) I apogolize for saying that to you Michael; I shouldn't have, even if I would have been right (and I wasn't). Again, no excuse, but it's (actually) 4am here now.

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:46:31 -0300, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote: Wow. Just wow. GREAT way to confuse and welcome the poor-English Chinese guy. Good point. Sorry Lavender, please feel free to start another thread... which may or may not get hijacked. Please ignore all the FUD and

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-15 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 10/15/2011 4:42 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Which one? That /var is not going into /? It's not disinformation, it is th true. If not, please be so kind of showin one single developer reference that says so. One. Single. One. Email, blog post, wiki, you choose it. But one single one. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Oct 14, 82011 at 11:43 AM, Lavender 448463...@qq.com wrote: First of all I think I should apologize for my poor English , you must be very painful to read my letters. I'm a Chinese student and my English is not very well , actually  it's suck. So I will pay attention to making letters

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-14 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: Hey, we've all got lives outside this mailing list. Except Dale, perhaps. :) A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... -- Neil Bothwick Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving. RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-14 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? That just doubled my age. It's closer to

Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

2011-10-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: A'right now. I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / again. :-P Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... Dang, I was only a year old