Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:27:00 +0100, Felix Kuperjans wrote: > > Stage 3 archives only contains necessary packages for which there is > > no choice. They don't include a cron daemon or a system logger for > > that reason, so they won't include kernel sources. > > > > > AFAICT stage3 archives include everything of @system. They don't. That's why you have to satisfy some virtuals manually at install time. > virtual/dev-manager usually pulls in udev, which might pull in kmod > (depending on USE flags) and virtual/modutils is part of system, which > by default uses kmod. > So kmod is part of system and it then requires virtual/linux-sources as > a dependency, so they are now part of system as well. As has already been explained, this is an unintended side effect which is being fixed, it shouldn't affect the stage 3 tarballs. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 15: Extinct Life signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:41:18 +0100, Felix Kuperjans wrote: > >> BTW this will also add full kernel sources to all stage3 archives, >> increasing their size quite significantly. > Stage 3 archives only contains necessary packages for which there is no > choice. They don't include a cron daemon or a system logger for that > reason, so they won't include kernel sources. > > AFAICT stage3 archives include everything of @system. virtual/dev-manager usually pulls in udev, which might pull in kmod (depending on USE flags) and virtual/modutils is part of system, which by default uses kmod. So kmod is part of system and it then requires virtual/linux-sources as a dependency, so they are now part of system as well. That wasn't the case some days ago, and IMHO linux-sources should not be part of @system in the future. Regards, Felix
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jarry wrote: > On 24-Mar-13 18:39, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >>> BTW why should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why >>> should be kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? >> >> >> Because your use case is not standard. The normal situation for users >> with kmod installed (and you have already kmod installed, since in >> your --pretend run appears as to be reinstalled) is for them to use >> kernel modules. The developers cannot handle every possible >> combination of configurations, so defaults are set for the least weird >> cases, or the common case even. > > > But what are kernel-sources good for after kernel has been compiled? > They take some disk-space (~700MB in my case!), so I think it is > quite logical to compile kernel, install & test it, and after that > get rid of kernel-sources. > > And I still do not know what does kmod need from kernel-sources. > Some part of kernel source-code? Strange is, up to now kmod was > satisfied even without kernel-sources... > > I know some other packages look for kernel-sources, but issue > only warning if can not found any (i.e. udev). But why does > kmod need kernel-sources so badly it pulls them as dependency? > It doesn't; this is just a side effect of inheriting linux-mod.eclass. The developer involved is trying to come up with a better solution right now.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On 24-Mar-13 18:39, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: BTW why should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why should be kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? Because your use case is not standard. The normal situation for users with kmod installed (and you have already kmod installed, since in your --pretend run appears as to be reinstalled) is for them to use kernel modules. The developers cannot handle every possible combination of configurations, so defaults are set for the least weird cases, or the common case even. But what are kernel-sources good for after kernel has been compiled? They take some disk-space (~700MB in my case!), so I think it is quite logical to compile kernel, install & test it, and after that get rid of kernel-sources. And I still do not know what does kmod need from kernel-sources. Some part of kernel source-code? Strange is, up to now kmod was satisfied even without kernel-sources... I know some other packages look for kernel-sources, but issue only warning if can not found any (i.e. udev). But why does kmod need kernel-sources so badly it pulls them as dependency? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Felix Kuperjans wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 18:39, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jarry wrote: >>> Thanks, this works (never heard of this file before). But there is >>> one small problem: no wildcards are allowed, so whenever new sorces >>> come I'll have to edit package.provided again, and again... BTW why >>> should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why should be >>> kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? >> Because your use case is not standard. The normal situation for users >> with kmod installed (and you have already kmod installed, since in >> your --pretend run appears as to be reinstalled) is for them to use >> kernel modules. The developers cannot handle every possible >> combination of configurations, so defaults are set for the least weird >> cases, or the common case even. >> >> Your setup is not the norm; therefore, it depends on you to keep it as >> you like it. >> >> Regards. > The case is actually quite common; Linux *sources* are only needed for Even if it is "quite common" (which I doubt) is not the norm. The Gentoo Handbook[1] and Gentoo Linux Kernel Guide[2] only discusses one method to get kernel which you can boot: installing one of the several sources packages available under sys-kernel/*-sources, and configuring it manually or via genkernel. > building kernels on the local machine (and - if used - additional > modules like nvidia-drivers). > Anyone who does not build the kernel on the local machine, e.g. taking > stock kernels from Debian/Fedora/..., kernel provided by > netboot/openvz/Xen domUs or build them remotely will almost never need > linux-sources installed. Yeah, and you can install the kernel that your cousin Billy compiled for you. Neither of those methods are the norm, as covered by the Gentoo documentation, and therefore if you use those methods, you are on your own. > BTW this will also add full kernel sources to all stage3 archives, > increasing their size quite significantly. Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Regards. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7 [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-kernel.xml -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:41:18 +0100, Felix Kuperjans wrote: > BTW this will also add full kernel sources to all stage3 archives, > increasing their size quite significantly. Stage 3 archives only contains necessary packages for which there is no choice. They don't include a cron daemon or a system logger for that reason, so they won't include kernel sources. -- Neil Bothwick "There's more to life than sex, beer and computers. Not a lot more admittedly..." signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 18:39, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jarry wrote: >> Thanks, this works (never heard of this file before). But there is >> one small problem: no wildcards are allowed, so whenever new sorces >> come I'll have to edit package.provided again, and again... BTW why >> should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why should be >> kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? > Because your use case is not standard. The normal situation for users > with kmod installed (and you have already kmod installed, since in > your --pretend run appears as to be reinstalled) is for them to use > kernel modules. The developers cannot handle every possible > combination of configurations, so defaults are set for the least weird > cases, or the common case even. > > Your setup is not the norm; therefore, it depends on you to keep it as > you like it. > > Regards. The case is actually quite common; Linux *sources* are only needed for building kernels on the local machine (and - if used - additional modules like nvidia-drivers). Anyone who does not build the kernel on the local machine, e.g. taking stock kernels from Debian/Fedora/..., kernel provided by netboot/openvz/Xen domUs or build them remotely will almost never need linux-sources installed. BTW this will also add full kernel sources to all stage3 archives, increasing their size quite significantly. Regards, Felix
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jarry wrote: > On 24-Mar-13 17:46, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >> On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:26:03 +0100, Jarry wrote: >> >>> [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.7.10:3.7.10 USE="-build >>> -deblob -symlink" 68,335 kB >>> [ebuild N ] virtual/linux-sources-0 0 kB >>> [ebuild R] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma >>> -static-libs" KERNEL="(linux%*)" 0 kB >> >> >>> Why in the heavens name should be gentoo-sources pulled in as >>> dependency of whatever? >> >> >> As a dependency of virtual-sources, which is probably pulled in by kmod. >> Adding --tree would have told you for sure. >> >> You may get away with adding gentoo-sources to package.provided. > > > Thanks, this works (never heard of this file before). But there > is one small problem: no wildcards are allowed, so whenever new > sorces come I'll have to edit package.provided again, and again... > > BTW why should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why > should be kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? Because your use case is not standard. The normal situation for users with kmod installed (and you have already kmod installed, since in your --pretend run appears as to be reinstalled) is for them to use kernel modules. The developers cannot handle every possible combination of configurations, so defaults are set for the least weird cases, or the common case even. Your setup is not the norm; therefore, it depends on you to keep it as you like it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
Am 24.03.2013 18:14, schrieb Jarry: > On 24-Mar-13 17:46, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:26:03 +0100, Jarry wrote: >> >>> [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.7.10:3.7.10 USE="-build >>> -deblob -symlink" 68,335 kB >>> [ebuild N ] virtual/linux-sources-0 0 kB >>> [ebuild R] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma >>> -static-libs" KERNEL="(linux%*)" 0 kB >> >>> Why in the heavens name should be gentoo-sources pulled in as >>> dependency of whatever? >> >> As a dependency of virtual-sources, which is probably pulled in by kmod. >> Adding --tree would have told you for sure. >> >> You may get away with adding gentoo-sources to package.provided. > > Thanks, this works (never heard of this file before). But there > is one small problem: no wildcards are allowed, so whenever new > sorces come I'll have to edit package.provided again, and again No, that's not true. Here's the quote from the man page: Portage will not attempt to update a package that is listed here unless another package explicitly requires a version that is newer than what has been listed. Dependencies that are satisfied by package.provided entries may cause installed packages satisfying equivalent dependencies to be removed by emerge(1) --depclean actions (see the ACTIONS section of the emerge(1) man page for more information).
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On 24-Mar-13 17:46, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:26:03 +0100, Jarry wrote: [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.7.10:3.7.10 USE="-build -deblob -symlink" 68,335 kB [ebuild N ] virtual/linux-sources-0 0 kB [ebuild R] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma -static-libs" KERNEL="(linux%*)" 0 kB Why in the heavens name should be gentoo-sources pulled in as dependency of whatever? As a dependency of virtual-sources, which is probably pulled in by kmod. Adding --tree would have told you for sure. You may get away with adding gentoo-sources to package.provided. Thanks, this works (never heard of this file before). But there is one small problem: no wildcards are allowed, so whenever new sorces come I'll have to edit package.provided again, and again... BTW why should kmod depend on kernel-sources? Or even better, why should be kmod installed, if I have static (non-modular) kernel? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I prevent gentoo-sources being installed?
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:26:03 +0100, Jarry wrote: > [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-3.7.10:3.7.10 USE="-build > -deblob -symlink" 68,335 kB > [ebuild N ] virtual/linux-sources-0 0 kB > [ebuild R] sys-apps/kmod-12-r1 USE="tools zlib -debug -doc -lzma > -static-libs" KERNEL="(linux%*)" 0 kB > Why in the heavens name should be gentoo-sources pulled in as > dependency of whatever? As a dependency of virtual-sources, which is probably pulled in by kmod. Adding --tree would have told you for sure. > I have 6 nearly identical machines, and > use only one for kernel compilation, so why should I now have > gentoo-sources on every system? Can I somehow prevent it? You may get away with adding gentoo-sources to package.provided. -- Neil Bothwick Bill Gates named his company after his penis. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
