[geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research - ja

2009-12-17 Thread Neil Farbstein
Jeff's post about clouds over the arctic is interesting. If low altitude clouds are beneficial in the summer and detrimental in the other seasons, they can be seeded during the non-summer months to prevent them from heating the land. They can be seeded in strategic places also. Over the ocean to

[geo] Prospect magazine article on geoengineering

2009-12-17 Thread Oliver Morton
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/12/fixing-the-climate/ Feedback very welcome, here or direct to me Oliver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To post to this group, send email to geoengineer...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: FW: [geo] Env Res Web: Saving Greenland's ice by geoengineering

2009-12-17 Thread p.j.irvine
Dear Albert, Our research was not proposing that getting to 1120 ppmv and then geoengineering is a good idea, it is likely a very bad idea and we should do what we can to avoid it. The point about mild CO2 poisoning is one I wasn't aware of and is something we certainly want to avoid! The

Re: [geo] Re: cloud seeding - need for research - ja

2009-12-17 Thread John Nissen
Thanks, Jeff. I'm copying your answer to the geoengineering group, because it has enormous implications for the effectiveness of SRM, and on the positive feedback effects which need to be overcome. SRM may have a better chance than I thought, if the albedo flip effect is less than I'd

RE: [geo] Stewart Brand/NYT Op-Ed: Four Sides to Every Story

2009-12-17 Thread Robert Socolow
There is a sixth group, with which I identify, the BROODERS. We see great risks in climate change, of unknown but signficant probability. We also deeply worry that political leadership too often creates havoc when it becomes convinced that a single objective overrides all others. Keynes wrote:

[geo] Re: Offtopic: Copenhagen update...

2009-12-17 Thread Dan Whaley
One more from New Energy Finance Day 10 - It's a question of all or nothing now http://www.newenergyfinance.com/Copenhagen/blog/13/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Copenhagen+Blog+Alert+-+Day+10 Today at 08:51 by Guy Turner “We are here today to write a different future.”

[geo] Re: new guideline for frequent posters to geoengineering googlegroup

2009-12-17 Thread jim woolridge
Neil: glacial pace ain't what it used to be. On Dec 16, 2:19 am, Neil Farbstein pro...@att.net wrote: Quick back and forth is the lifeblood of this group. I'm glad you realize that because that's what makes it interesting. Otherwise the interchange of information will take place at a glacial

[geo] Hansen: Role of aerosols

2009-12-17 Thread John Nissen
Hi all, As I said, I would start a new thread on aerosols, due to Hansen's comments here: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20091216_TemperatureOfScience.pdf "The different hemispheric records in the mid-twentieth century have never been convincingly explained. The most likely

[geo] Why geoeng must be on the table

2009-12-17 Thread RAU greg
Leaked UN report shows cuts offered at Copenhagen would lead to 3C riseUN secretariat initial draft shows gap of up to 4.2 gigatonnes of CO2 between present pledges and cuts required to limit rise to 2C Read the UN analysis document here  Suzanne Goldenberg, John Vidal and Jonathan Watts in

Re: [geo] paper on Russian geoengineering field test

2009-12-17 Thread Oliver Wingenter
Dear Ken, Thanks for the paper. It shows the Russian's resolve. The American's and other have been studying similar experiments, however we just use using ship tracks and other observations to study the Twomey, Albrecht and other indirect aerosol effects. Sincerely, Oliver Wingenter PS I

Re: [geo] paper on Russian geoengineering field test

2009-12-17 Thread Ken Caldeira
I thought the Russian experiments were interesting not because they represented such great science but rather because they introduce an important new dimension into the discussion of governance, or lack thereof, of small scale field experiments. It is not clear to me that their experiments