Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Stephen Salter
Hi All Michael Hayes asks about how bubbles could be deployed. One possibility would be for a pair of wind-driven vessels to sail side by side at, say, a kilometre separation, attached to each other by a buoyant, streamlined tether. The chord of the tether would be about 100 mm. In plan

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Lockley
Stephen, This technology is already used for towing hydrophone streamers in geophys, but it doesn't work quite like you suggest. There's no need for two boats, and instead there's a paid of towed hydrofoils behind one boat, with the support line tensioned between them. The low mass of the

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Hayes
Thank you both for the insight. Yes, I do now recall the dual boat tether concept and I have some working back ground in towing a long array of gear. From a pilot's point of view, I can see an advantage of the dual boat/tether over the towed array. In that, turning would be easier as well as

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Mike MacCracken
Another approach to the bubble generation effort, and one Russell has suggested, is to take advantage of existing ships (of order 1000 to 10,000 commercial ships at sea on a given day) and to put bubble generators on them‹perhaps doing so in a way that reduces their hull friction to make up for

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Hayes
I have played with the idea of designing a prop which incorporates ultrasonic cavities to produce bright water. But, the modeling is beyond my capabilities. If it can be shown to the boat owners that such a prop would generate more thrust by breaking up the cohesion of the water just forward of

[geo] Re: Testing brightwater

2011-04-27 Thread Nathan Currier
Hey, Ken - I guess it's a matter of seeing the glass half full...If I remember correctly the material of out LBL (Akhbari Rosenfeld 2007, 2010, etc) actually cited help from you on their RF translations for white surfacing, so you're clearly as much 'in the know' as anyone on all their figures,

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Stephen Salter
Andrew I did think about paravanes on a single ship as you suggest but thought that we could avoid the drag of the paravane by making two systems as long as the paravane that you would have chosen, joining them together and throwing away the two paravanes. Two boats is OK if the wake is

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Andrew Lockley
Hi Stephen I think your concerns about pumping energies are misplaced. The mass of air pumped would be pretty low as the bubbles are so small, so there won't be big displacements, frictional losses, etc. My guess is that the energy to overcome ship drag and the energy to form the bubbles will

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Hayes
Here is a short overview article which points to a possible use for bright water if a long lasting variant can be developed. Agulhas leakage fueled by global warming could stabilize Atlantic overturning circulation: study

Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Hayes
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Re: [geo] Re: for Geoe E group Bright Water the movie

2011-04-27 Thread Michael Hayes
Sorry, the message did not send right. Let me try it again. Here is a patent concerning a possible means for producing Stable (long life) Bright Water. http://www.patents.com/us-5531980.html http://www.patents.com/us-5531980.htmlHere are key passages; 'The tensides or surfactants which are