Re: [geo] Re: Weakened tropical circulation and reduced precipitation in response to geoengineering - IOPscience

2015-03-23 Thread Andrew Lockley
Angus (cc Alan / Ben) Despite several papers addressing the comparability of dimming vs aerosol, there doesn't appear to be a clear consensus on the relevance of dimming as an analogue. As you point out below, there's also a range of issues with aerosol distribution which have not been resolved.

[geo] Re: Weakened tropical circulation and reduced precipitation in response to geoengineering - IOPscience

2015-03-23 Thread Angus Ferraro
Hmm, I thought it had been posted before too. The sensitivity of the tropical circulation (and hence hydrological cycle) to the effects of the aerosols appears to be rather sensitive to how the aerosol is set up in the model. Kalidindi et al (2014)

Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Hester, Tracy
Let me do a quick check today on the bill and its background – we might be giving it more attention than it deserves. Similar bills popped up in state legislatures to regulate nano-scale materials when concerns first arose over their safety and toxicity, and (with a few important exceptions)

Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Hawkins, Dave
According to the RI Legislature web site, it was referred to Committee, where last week it was recommended to be held for further study. House Bill No. 5480http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText15/HouseText15/H5480.pdf BY MacBeth, McLaughlin ENTITLED, AN ACT RELATING TO HEALTH

Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Alan Robock
Since the bill defines geoengineering as counteracting global *warning* and not global *warming*, do we have anything to worry about? The bill makes no distinction between small scale experiments and large scale implementation, but I guess that is what the review process is for. Alan Robock

[geo] Changing the Dialogue in Public Perception

2015-03-23 Thread dschnei333
Interesting public framing article from last week: Some may remember the Rio Earth Summit http://www.un.org/geninfo/bp/enviro.html. History points to it as a turning point, when international co-operation “got serious” around a shared problem: dumping carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) into the

Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Josh Horton
I live next door in Massachusetts so take a particular interest in this. The bill has two sponsors, both Democrats: - Rep. Karen MacBeth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_MacBeth - Rep. James McLaughlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McLaughlin_(politician) They serve

[geo] Re: First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Wil Burns
I don't have any insights into the genesis of this bill, but I suspect it's not the last one we'll see of this nature. Just as climate policy/energy policy (think things e.g. state regulation of fracking or RGGI or AB32) has been effectuated at the sub-national level, so may climate

[geo] Re: First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Bill Stahl
As an opportunity for consciousness-raising it might be excellent. A little home geoeingineering project - driveway, gravel path, an upright citizen in the garden daring the legislature to' bring it on' - needn't wait for a bill to actually be passed to make for a fun story for somebody on

RE: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Andrew Lockley
I sense the opportunity for a great publicity stunt, to poke the legislators into rethinking this sloppily drafted law by : A) Deliberately painting a driveway white B) Laying an olivine grit pathway C) Making some biochar soil improver I'm sure the local press would be willing to cover it. Does

RE: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread J.L. Reynolds
By my reading , this would also include conventional mitigation efforts, which are typically specifically and deliberately designed to minimize climate change . .. at least until the Department of Environmental Management implemented an exclusion. Jesse Sent from Samsung Mobile

RE: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Schuiling, R.D. (Olaf)
Can anyone in Rhode Island and do me a favor, to cover his driveway with olivine grit? Olaf Schuiling From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Rau Sent: maandag 23 maart 2015 1:14 To: kcalde...@gmail.com Cc: Hester, Tracy; geoengineering

Re: [geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering

2015-03-23 Thread Andrew Lockley
What if the intent is to measure the effect, rather than to modify the climate? Or to measure the ability to deliver an effect, as in an engineering test? And further, how would anyone know what intent someone holds? A On 23 Mar 2015 03:43, Caroline Masiello masie...@rice.edu wrote: It sure

[geo] First U.S. state proposed legislation on climate engineering (response to Wil Burns defending NAS report)

2015-03-23 Thread Ken Caldeira
*Wil Burns:* 3. I do applaud the bill's proposal to establish a mechanism for public deliberation on the merits of climate geoengineering, something woefully lacking in both the major NAS reports released a few weeks ago. Wil, The report specifically calls for a 'serious deliberative process'