One of the more interesting aspects of all this is the spectacle of the ETC
Group, a self-described defender of indigenous rights, accusing a First
Nations company of trying to get away with something, to borrow Jim
Thomas' words. The typical response to this observation is that the Haida
Is there any way for this group to back up and deal with the George experiment,
setting aside for a day or so all visceral feelings about ETC? Does the George
experiment produce its own visceral feelings in any of you? It does in me.
Geoengineering has no future if it is not embedded in
Sorry to split hairs, but science often isn't about well designed
experiments. It's often about taking messy, real world data and trying to
tease it into meaningful cohorts.
If the George experiment teaches us anything about the scientific
investigation of geoengineering , it should be teaching
Josh, as you well know this was not carried out by 'the Haida' and folks should
be as careful ascribing this to 'the Haida' as ascribing the action of any
small american town council to 'the americans' .
Last years ocean fertilization was carried out by a vancouver-based company
calling
Canada's public broadcaster, the CBC, produced an episode of their Fifth
Estate TV show, on Russ George entitled Ironman, which aired in Canada
March 29. If you live in Canada, the show can be streamed from their
website,* here http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2012-2013/2013/03/ironman.html*.
The
Certainly the George experiment should be judged as an experiment, which
means disclosure. Seems doubtful that it's illegal. And violence against it
must be condemned.
Gregory Benford
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Lewis jrandomwin...@gmail.comwrote:
Canada's public broadcaster, the
I have to say, I think those in this field are generally somewhat
complacent about security. The animal rights movement shows what can
happen. We shouldn't wait until after an attack to beef up security. Some
of the larger conferences or specially convened meetings (eg Asilomar) may
be a
Hi All
We let farmers put fertilizer on their fields. Without this we would
not have enough food. Some fertilizer drains into the rivers and gets to
the sea where we know that too much causes nasty blooms and oxygen
reduction. Two wrongs do not make a right but what is the difference
A scientific expedition aiming to do ocean fertilization or geoengineering
research would be playing into the hands of types like Paul Watson if they
decided that having weapons on board was a defense. Watson is looking for
an image the media he is playing to can use - armed rogue geoengineers
1) I generally agree with proposition that there is complacency about
security.
2) I do not think it is a good idea to put heavy machine guns on research
vessels.
3) I would extend the concern about security to information security.
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Fred Zimmerman
Geoengineering IT!
Bringing together the
Or could the SRM crowd offer some solutions? Drop the iron out of the sky
(planes, rockets, balloons etc, launched from secure land sites? Simulate
volcanic dust?) Monitor the results from satellite and by sensors mounted on
commercial cargo ships normally traversing the patch. Perhaps more
Does it matter to ETC or Paul Watson whether the intent is to increase
fishery yields versus reduce the magnitude of climate change?
Would the action be 'geoengineering' in the latter case but not the former?
On Friday, April 26, 2013, David Lewis wrote:
Paul Watson is known for going as far
Paul Watson wrote a commentary on Russ George entitled *The Return of a
Dangerous Ecological
Criminal*http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2012/10/29/the-return-of-a-dangerous-ecological-criminal-574
published by his Sea Shepherd Society online October 29 2012. This Watson
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/haida-readying-for-second-round-of-iron-dumping-in-ocean-1.115880
The controversial Haida Salmon Restoration Corp. wants Environment Canada
to return scientific data and samples — seized during office searches last
month — so it can prepare for a second ocean
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