Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-24 Thread Bhaskar M V
Ninad The simple point I am trying to make is if we run out of phosphorus ( and / or nitrogen ), we need not worry about anything else. GHG emissions due to anthropogenic sources are proportionate to N and P usage. All fuel is purchased and used, just as all food is purchased and consumed. Fuel

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread M V Bhaskar
Morton Iron fertilization is planned to be used in HNLCs, i.e., areas that have high nutrient levels year after year. So it appears that there is a abundance of nutrients in the oceans. In the past the CO2 levels of atmosphere and oceans were lower due to natural factors and diatom growth

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread Mike MacCracken
Bhaskar-- With respect to your message, I would very much like to see the evidence for the oxygen content ever being as high as 35% when life was present as fire would have run rampant (and since lightning would have been needed to provide the nitrate source, there would not have been a lack of a

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread Bhaskar M V
Mike Historical oxygen levels are a question of fact. No logic is involved. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth A good graph of O2 levels http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309100615/gifmid/30.gif http://www.pnas.org/content/96/20/10955.full Oxygen and Paleofires. The level

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread Mike MacCracken
Bhaskar-- Pardon me, but I don't get the sense from the citations you provided me to justify the finding that the O2 concentration roughly 300M years ago reached 35% raises this bit of information to ³a fact². I¹d note also that in the plot you reference that the high O2 level is indicated as

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread Ninad Bondre
I agree with Mike. Much of what we know about the geologic past is based on the best possible interpretation of fragmentary evidence. While there are contexts in which the past can serve to illuminate the present, I do not think comparisons of Permian and Holocene oxygen concentrations are very

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-23 Thread Bhaskar M V
Mike Your logic was that if O2 was high there would have been huge fires, therefore O2 could not have been that high. Perhaps many species became extinct when O2 was high. If this is a fact, it is a fact. This does not mean O2 could not have been high. Many data / evidence is indirect and has

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-21 Thread O Morton
Subject: Re: [geo] Nature eifex report It says 13,000 atoms, not tonnes: Each atom of added iron pulled at least 13,000 atoms of carbon out of the atmosphere by encouraging algal growth which, through photosynthesis, captures carbon. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Lockley

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-19 Thread Ken Caldeira
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Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-19 Thread Bhaskar M V
: [geo] Nature eifex report It says 13,000 atoms, not tonnes: Each atom of added iron pulled at least 13,000 atoms of carbon out of the atmosphere by encouraging algal growth which, through photosynthesis, captures carbon. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Lockley andrew.lock

[geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-18 Thread Andrew Lockley
Personally I find the claims of 13000 tonnes to 1 atom of iron somewhat difficult to comprehend! A - Nature doi:10.1038/nature.2012.11028 Dumping iron at sea does sink carbon Geoengineering hopes revived as study of iron-fertilized algal blooms shows they deposit carbon in the deep ocean

Re: [geo] Nature eifex report

2012-07-18 Thread Rau, Greg
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