RE: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-02 Thread Hawkins, Dave
, 2011 6:43 PM To: andrew.lock...@gmail.com Cc: Mike MacCracken; Geoengineering Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane... Tracer use would be the only way to assure we get what we pay for. The only practical way to find a CO2 leak in an oil field would be to see the sand kicking up around

[geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, After reading Greg's post, I have spent some time looking into the methane release being caused by Fracking. Here is a link to a resent film on the subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8 If you are interested in the methane issue in general, I encourage you to take the

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Gregory Benford
Michael raises the crucial issue: *Should the oil and gas industry be relied upon at the geological time scale needed for massive CO2 sequestration? *There are measurements Sherry Rowland told me about ~5 years ago, made by his group at UCI, of the methane content of air across Texas Oklahoma.

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
I quite like fracking because it gets the oil industry to fund lots of extremely expensive geoengineering research for us, and the only harm is a load of methane and the odd earthquake. Seems like a fair trade off to me! Obviously, it's a completely unacceptable technique for oil extraction in

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Mike MacCracken
I think it is also important to remember the difference. Every reasonable effort will be made to capture any methane they can as it can be sold as energy. The same is not true of CO2, and with the higher background, leaks may well be harder to detect unless some tracer is added to the sequestered

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Michael Hayes
Wide spread use of fracking only dates back to the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill of 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005Current methane measurements would be interesting to compare to the data Gregory mentions! I am clueless

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
It would be nice if that were the case, but even in heavily populated regions such as the Niger delta, where energy infrastructure is extensive and sea ports are accessible, gas flaring is still common. Much methane released is in low concentrations, and can't be recovered, even if the will is

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Michael Hayes
Tracer use would be the only way to assure we get what we pay for. The only practical way to find a CO2 leak in an oil field would be to see the sand kicking up around the leak. Well head monitoring will not be a reliable means as CO2 can be absorbed into some rock formations. So, any leak related

Re: [geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-06-01 Thread Sam Carana
A: Can fracking technology be used to dissociate clathrates? See this example: http://www.ngvglobal.com/innovative-hydrate-production-technologies-to-be-tested-in-alaska-0524 Personally, I don't see much commercial scope for this. Renewables are in many cases already price-competitive.