It's possible you misunderstood my point.
There will be no arguing or defence. I am simply stating it is illogical
to believe there is any form of 'defence' when another programme has
received a cease and desist whilst already fulfilling the criteria of
obscurity, non use of iPlayer and not
Shouldn't the 'as far as I'm aware' side of things be looked into?
It'd be a shame for the new forums and any associated sites to be shut down for
using a logo
To put my concerns into context; I help admin a site for vintage radio control
cars and they were recently threatened with legal action
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Christopher Woods
christop...@custommade.org.uk wrote:
I have less sympathy for Radio Downloader; AIUI it deliberately offered a
mechanism for people outside of the UK to download UK-only programming.
Incorrect. All Radio Downloader did was provide an easy
The BBC can request the take down of the site and I'd make necessary
adjustments to address the concerns and put it back up. I'm happy to
address them before it gets to that stage.
However, that is going to have no effect of get_iplayer, the programme,
itself. I have simply created a site
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Square Penguin
he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am
aware. It is on the front page of this mailing list. If someone would like
to do another one I'd be more than happy to use it, but if the
I would suggest a total re-design of the logo with its own identity. Or
no logo at all !
On 17/07/13 09:04, Jonathan H wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Square Penguin
he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
Use of Logo: That is get_iplayer's logo and always has been as far as I am
aware. It
One hundred mil is only a billion in the States ;) in civilised society,
it's one thousand million.
Apologies for earlier confusion on my part re Radio Downloader allowing
people to circumvent geo restrictions, I was thinking of Beebify... Amusing
when you consider what likely popped into
With all due respect as a humble and grateful user of GIP - yes, you
probably could comply with any of the BEEBs potential compliance
requirements on your new website.
My simple point is that even if the FAQs and dissemination of GIP remains,
you are still posing a risk of the BEEB reacting
On 17/07/13 09:22, Square Penguin wrote:
I appreciate that you are able to recognise the emotional nature of
your reaction.
Logo: I may need to make this point again - I didn't make the logo.
It's from Phil Lewis' original site. It's still there now if you want
to take a look. As I said, if
I'd agree with the point about the logo, even though it's been around a
long time, it feels like the kind of thing that the BBC could get shirty
about - especially on a web page that looks professional ( In the sense
of looking good, rather than looking like it's asking for money!)
On 17 July 2013 at 09:49 michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com
wrote:
In terms of what is not acceptable I DO NOT ACCEPT your right to put a
project at risk because or your perception of the needs of existing
and
new users.
Well said, that man.
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
Your mailer has a 'private reply' and a 'reply to all' feature, surely?
If you choose 'private reply' (often just labelled 'reply'), why would
you be surprised at what it does?
It does indeed. And I would expect
Well, was it spam? I've not heard of Beebify before; when I clicked
the link I saw a very easy one-click method of downloading a working
wmv copy of a BBC programme.
Spam is disruptive unsolicited commercial electronic mail messages
simultaneously to a number of e-mail addresses.
For me, this
On 17/07/13 10:01, Square Penguin wrote:
I discussed the matter directly with get_iplayer's maintainer, who is
fully on board.
It has struck me throughout this discussion that he has not said so,
unless I have missed something.
I have already said I am prepared to use another logo and use
How is using get_iplayer any different from having some form of video
recorder - other than it allows people to watch things they've missed -
which I could do anyway if I recorded all bbc content and kept it for a
week, which as far as I know is currently feasible, and as a licence
payer my
get_iplayer differs fundamentally from a VCR/PVR in that programs may be
recorded without the use of an aerial feed and, therefore the need to
acquire a TV Licence.
Isn't that what Sky, Virgin and YouView offer, though? They all download the
programmes over the Internet and store locally on a
On 17/07/13 10:28, Long Al wrote:
get_iplayer differs fundamentally from a VCR/PVR in that programs may
be recorded without the use of an aerial feed and, therefore the need
to acquire a TV Licence.
If Auntie Beeb could get us on loss of revenue what could the
defence be?
Al (Devil's
On 17/07/13 10:31, Philip Colmer wrote:
get_iplayer differs fundamentally from a VCR/PVR in that programs may be
recorded without the use of an aerial feed and, therefore the need to
acquire a TV Licence.
Isn't that what Sky, Virgin and YouView offer, though? They all download the
programmes
I have already said I am prepared to use another logo and use another
URL if the community truly believes that will make a difference.
I repeat what I said before, that the community should have been asked
before the event, and I have no evidence that you did so.
The logo is, as the Yanks
I'm presuming that they dont allow feeds to get_iplayer by IP location
in the same way that iplayer does here but if you can watch it on
iplayer in a VM (as you can) then you can record direct from the screen
and audio anyway so there is no real difference - just ease of use.
Tom
Are you
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But
it'll do for now and it site specific, signifying that the site is the
get_iplayer forum site and not get_iplayer itself.
On 17 July 2013 09:22, Square Penguin he...@squarepenguin.co.uk
mailto:he...@squarepenguin.co.uk wrote:
The implied sentiment (one you are not necessarily making but others are)
that new users should be discouraged so that the old timers can continue
to enjoy the spoils is, frankly,
It's complicated and varies by country and device type, but very often a
'fee' is already included in the purchase price of a device, to cover
recording capability. In the old days, a tax was levied on Video Tape /
Cassette. Now a tax is levied on recording media used in recording devices.#
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where exactly.
As a result, I have replaced it with the worlds worst logo ever. But
it'll do for now and it site
When Sky or Virgin et al create a Set Top Box, they negotiate licensing
fees with the content providers.
Their subscription numbers are clearly known, and thus the 'reach' of
the media is clearly known, and for what duration. All of this is built
into the negotiated price for the content, and
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where exactly.
There's no reason why SP's reservations should have
re Mr Normans comments.
If it looks like a Troll and smells like a Troll ..
On 17. juli 2013, at 12:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer
jn.ml.gti...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear the concerns raised here.
And your reservations were shared where
If the licence terms permit it, yes.
On 17 July 2013 11:58:58 michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the
On 17 July 2013 11:58, michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:43, Jeremy Nicoll - ml get_iplayer wrote:
michael norman michaeltnor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17/07/13 11:06, Square Penguin wrote:
TBH I had reservations about the logo before launching the site and I
hear
The techniques of DRM are varied but in principle it's like this:
1) Content is encrypted in a manner which ties the encryption to a
specific and UNIQUE device (your specific PC / Phone / Device).
2) Content is streamed to that device and decrypted using keys only
applicable for that device
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:59:28AM +0100, Jonathan H wrote:
For me, this was a useful message posted to an appropriate list
This isn't the general how to download stuff from the BBC list; it's
for get_iplayer. What does Beebify have to do with get_iplayer?
I think the question is this:
1) How can make iplayer easier to discuss?
Do you mean get_player and BBC iplayer both or just get_iplayer ?
2) How can we make it easier to download / find?
Assuming you mean get_player my latest google search gives me the old
Linuxcentre link and SQ's guide.
David thebrilliantmist...@gmail.com wrote:
Some points:
1) Open Source does not mean free.
The two are often confused.
Absolutely, but the home page at http://getiplayer.co.uk/ explicitly says
that get_iplayer is both 'free' and 'open-source', so the distinction
doesn't matter here.
--
On Tue Jul 23 22:09:25 EDT 2013, chris chery wrote:
I 'd like to download the video at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23310447
I tried:
get_iplayer --type=tv --get
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23310447
but all I get is:
WARNING: No programmes are available for
On Wed Jul 17 19:57:44 EEST 2013, I wrote:
On Tue Jul 23 22:09:25 EDT 2013, chris chery wrote:
Make that:
On Wed Jul 17 03:09:25 BST 2013, chris chery wrote:
(an error on my part - this mailing list does not yet accept mails from the
future!)
On Wed Jul 17 18:12:52 BST 2013, Kevin Lynch wrote:
Hi Chris
I did not see if you got an answer
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2013-July/004707.html
(I posted some 15min prior to you... :-) )
there are two different caches for media (radio/tv) so it
helps if you spedify
Hi Chris
I did not see if you got an answer - here's an example of using the
--url syntax there are two different caches for media (radio/tv) so it
helps if you spedify the cache to look in
C:\Program Files (x86)\get_iplayerget_iplayer --url
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23283982
INFO:
Hi
I don't have any problems with MPlayer but...
Is it necessary for get_iplayer to use MPlayer instead of FFmpeg for muxing the
mp3 downloads?
Will FFmpeg not demux them properly, or will the demuxed files not play on some
players?
Or is there some other reason?
From: batguano...@hotmail.com
Will FFmpeg not demux them properly, or will the demuxed files not play on
some players
I mean mux, not demux, doh
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get_iplayer
On Wed Jul 17 19:39:04 BST 2013, bat guano wrote:
Is it necessary for get_iplayer to use MPlayer instead of FFmpeg for muxing
the mp3 downloads?
Will FFmpeg not demux them properly, or will the demuxed files not play on
some players?
Or is there some other reason?
Hello bat!
I have
...mentioning some reasons back then why
MPlayer is still being used...
Hi
I've just tried using FFmpeg instead of MPlayer...
Downloaded an mp3 flv file:-
get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b036jqq9 --raw --force
Tried to mux it with FFmpeg:-
ffmpeg -i
On 17/07/2013 20:19, bat guano wrote:
Gives errors:-
Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in stream
0
What version of ffmpeg are you using?
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On 17/07/2013 19:39, bat guano wrote:
Hi
I don't have any problems with MPlayer but...
Is it necessary for get_iplayer to use MPlayer instead of FFmpeg for muxing the
mp3 downloads?
Will FFmpeg not demux them properly, or will the demuxed files not play on some
players?
Or is there some other
Try yet again - again -
One of the reasons I am keen to 'listen again' to audio broadcasts from
the Beeb and elsewhere is that programmes are rarely repeated, especially
folk
programmes. Take the Mike Harding Folk Music Song series. Once he got the
push he was never heard from again.
How on earth do I actually post on this list?
I have tried five times to post about getting get_iplayer working on
Synology boxes. Each gets stuck in the moderator queue (which nobody
seems to be monitoring) with Message has a suspicious header error.
Am I wasting my time? I'm trying to help
I frequently use get_iplayer to download radio shows and wanted to
also automatically download the associated show tracklisting in plain
text along with the audio for future reference. Since I wrote a Python
script that seems to work well with get_iplayer's --command option, I
thought I'd share it
I'm never quite sure whether one should be top or bottom posting on this
mail list. Anyway, here is a top post. If I simply reply list my email
client uses html as the default and that gets stuck in the moderator
queue. If I change it to text only it gets through. Maybe that is the
problem.
I know this is off-topic but I tried Beebify.com and its a total waste of time.
Ran http://www.beebify.com - got a blank (black screen) Tried searching for
[radio prog] - but no response. Nothing, zero, sfa.
So ran http://beebify.com/browsercheck.php and got this:
Warning:
(My mail client - Vista's Windows Mail - is misbehaving today...)
On Wed Jul 17 20:21:55 BST 2013, dinkypumpkin wrote:
Older versions of ffmpeg either croak on the overlapping timestamps
often encountered in the FLV file or spew a stream of scary-looking
error messages when re-muxing. Even
I downloaded a shorter audio file:
in the end a perfectly playable mp3 file was produced
Still gives errors for me:-
Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in
stream 0
get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b036jrr2 --raw --force
ffmpeg -i
On 17/07/2013 21:34, bat guano wrote:
Still gives errors for me:-
Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in stream
0
get_iplayer --type=radio --pid=b036jrr2 --raw --force
ffmpeg -i Morning_Briefing_-_17_07_2013_b036jrr2_default.flv -f mp3 -vn -c:a
copy
What, if any, is the version of ffmpeg packaged for your system?
No idea. Ubuntu 11.04 is no longer supported.
But although I see the red errors:-
Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in
stream 0
The file does mux OK as with Vangelis.
The resulting mp3 file
On 17/07/2013 21:58, bat guano wrote:
But although I see the red errors:-
Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in stream
0
The file does mux OK as with Vangelis.
The resulting mp3 file seems OK.
So maybe it is just a matter of switching off or reducing the
Believe me, the archives are there, at least for the last decade (for the
most part). Ultimately the people want to, at least informally, preserve
output.
There hasn't, yet, that I'm aware of, been One Plan to Store Them All (And
In the Darkness Find Them, a few years later) for legal,
I'm never quite sure whether one should be top or bottom posting on
this mail list. Anyway, here is a top post. If I simply reply
list my email client uses html as the default and that gets stuck
in the moderator queue. If I change it to text only it gets
through. Maybe that is the
... I'm not sure why, given your code is
pretty new...
Hi
I've just compiled FFmpeg again from git.
Still have the red errors.
See attachment.
Maybe this can be fixed by posting the problem on the FFmpeg-users mailing list.
But I think it's safest for get_iplayer to carry on using MPlayer to
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