Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include a GUILE in the Gimp sourcecode, make sure that it doesn't conflict with other GUILEs on the target system and use it as the GIMPs default language. Perfectly fine with me as long as I have a language that is guaranteed to be available for 99% of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include a GUILE in the Gimp sourcecode, make sure that it doesn't conflict with other GUILEs on the target system and use it as the GIMPs default language. Perfectly fine with me as long as I have a language that is guaranteed to be available

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This roadmap should not be seen as set in stone, but I agree with Freedman Dyson that it is better to be precise and wrong than to be vague. If we set ourselves vague targets, then we will arrive at them a long time after we'd like. So what? So,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm with Simon - at least one scripting language installation's a good idea. We might assume that perl or python are more or less universally available, but we can certainly not assume that guile is always installed. Given the fact that script-fu has

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This roadmap should not be seen as set in stone, but I agree with Freedman Dyson that it is better to be precise and wrong than to be vague. If we set ourselves vague targets, then we will arrive at them a long time after we'd like. So

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi Dave, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This roadmap should not be seen as set in stone, but I agree with Freedman Dyson that it is better to be precise and wrong than to be vague. If we set ourselves vague targets, then we will arrive at them a long time after we'd like. So what?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Simon Budig
Dave Neary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: We might assume that perl or python are more or less universally available, [...] Please note that this definitely is wrong. We have a Windows user base and they most probably don't have Perl or Python installed. Otherwise I wouldn't bring this topic up.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hello, Sven Neumann wrote: It's just a packaging issue. As long as we make sure that everyone can install gimp-script-fu, we have script-fu support. Do you really want to continue to include it with GIMP with all the problems that arise from doing that? I don't think it's worth it. Including

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Simon Budig
Ooops, that should have been gone to the ML as well... Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include a GUILE in the Gimp sourcecode, make sure that it doesn't conflict with other GUILEs on the target system and use it as the GIMPs default language.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread pcg
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we should do that simply because I don't see what is so important about having a self-contained scripting language. I'd rather like to see three or four well-maintained and working scripting languages

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
Hi, On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 13:27, Sven Neumann wrote: David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] So, without further ado, here's the updated roadmap... are there any comments? [snip] The GIMP project is already putting up enough pressure without people trying to nail us down on release

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 01:06:58PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we should do that simply because I don't see what is so important about having a self-contained scripting language. I'd rather like to see three or four

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 13:27, Sven Neumann wrote: [...] nail us down [...] [snip] Imposing a fixed release schedule [...] [snip] [...] this road map should not be set in stone. I think both you and Sven have somewhat missed the point. The funny thing is, we are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Including guile doesn't mean supporting it. As it is, there are a bunch of things we include that don't get much support because the original authors have gone their own way. This time we're not even talking about *pretending* that this is a GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 16:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simons agruments, however, smell a lot of standard gimp extension language, because his goal is to have one language that is always pat of gimp, which would effectively be a standard. I don't think that's a bad idea at all, especially when

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, most GIMP users probably get their GIMP from Jernej - OK - the GNU/Linux side of things gives us a nice big install base on Linux, but proportionately very few Linux people actually *use* the GIMP. I'd guess that the majority of our power

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not trying to nail anyone down. I don't think anyone is. I'm not *imposing* anything. The roadmap (as has been shown by the last one) is *not* set in stone. We all know that but your roadmap gave a different impression. Instead of pointing out

Re: [Gimp-developer] Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd guess that the majority of our power users are on Win32. Are there any numbers you can base this statement on? No, it's a guess. Not that it would matter much but I doubt there are more Win32 GIMP users than Linux GIMP users.

[Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X (was: Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?)

2004-02-05 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:20 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Are there any numbers you can base this statement on? I don't think this assumption is correct. Not that it would matter much but I doubt there are more Win32 GIMP users than Linux GIMP users. I'd also

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Update

2004-02-05 Thread raymond ostertag
Le mer 04/02/2004 à 14:53, Dave Neary a écrit : Hi, Hello, Would it be possible for the dcs team to do occasional update reports like I've tried to do over the past few months? It's easy to forget about ye, because all too often we don't look at the docs until there's a release. Roman did

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW I'm using GIMP 1.2 under OS X and suspect that there might be a few freaks who do so, too simply because it's easily to install if there's fink on the machine. Installing gimp2 should be about as easy nowadays. BTW: In OSX gtk 2 has really

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-05 Thread Alan Horkan
Please note that GIMP does MDI (multiple document interface) already, it just doesn't folllow the WiW (window in window) approach that some people seem to prefer for obscure reasons. Every reference I've ever seen to MDI refers to window in window. I don't understand the purpose

[Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-05 Thread Carol Spears
hiya, On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:42:24PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote: Ooops, that should have been gone to the ML as well... Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include a GUILE in the Gimp sourcecode, make sure that it doesn't conflict with other GUILEs

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When using the GIMP I prefer to have the document window maximized. On windows this means that the Toolbox will get pushed behind and it is extremely awkward and I believe this is a significant part of the problem that most users want solved.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-05 Thread David Neary
Hi, First, I'd like to say that I think it's a pity that you replied so aggressively to the mail - I would have liked to hear more comments, but I think that the tone of the thread may have intimidated people somewhat. Sven Neumann wrote: We all know that but your roadmap gave a different

[Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-05 Thread David Neary
Hi all, After the time-based roadmap that I set yesterday, and the reaction to it, both Sven and brix said that they would have preferred more content. Well, here goes... Note, I believe that a time-based release is the way to go. That means I think it's better to say that we will have a release

[Gimp-developer] [br@linuxnews.pl: [Gimp-user] another prob with parasites and script-fu]

2004-02-05 Thread Carol Spears
hi, this was mailed on the gimp user list. thanks, carol - Forwarded message from Irek S?onina [EMAIL PROTECTED] - My previous problem with parasites in script-fu has dissapeared in new pre3 version (thanks Sven for URL to bugreport), but now I have one another: I tried to define

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-05 Thread Kevin Cozens
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 17:12, David Neary wrote: 9) A decent image browser/thumbnail viewer + cover-sheet support This sounds a bit like the old GUASH (which I have started to port to GTK+ 2.x/GIMP 2.0) but I'm not sure what you mean by cover-sheet support.

Re: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.0 pre3

2004-02-05 Thread Oleg Bartunov
Hi there, what could be a reason for very slow cut'n resize function when I select region to be resized ? I noticed such behaviour after 1.3 version. I have standard slackware distribution with gtk 2.2 installed. Oleg On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, David Neary wrote: Hi all, The latest