Re: [Gimp-developer] finalizing the task list
> Does this sound reasonable? Is there anything I missed? Any volunteers > to work on this list? Sounds reasonable to me. Since I never get around to contributing anything, I took a few minutes to copy-paste some items from the mailing list that came up this past month. It needs work - I haven't searched BZ or the UI spec yet to match up items either. Hopefully it can be a start at least. http://cr33dog.fedorapeople.org/misc/gimp_task_list.html http://cr33dog.fedorapeople.org/misc/gimp_task_list.ods Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] using the GIMP donations
Hi Everyone I am not much of a programmer yet. I just sit in the background watching you folks I sell used laboratory equipment. I am always scanning the auctions looking for liquidated equipment to buy. There are often I.T auctions too. If you wanted me to watch for a server and report back, I can, if so to whom? With laboratory equipment the liquidated value is about 5-40% of the new equipment. A item that is $500 new might sell for 5% of that, a $40K item might sell for about $20-25% and a 100K item might retain 40% of it's. These are just rough estimates. I don't deal in I.T equipment but I would imagine it would devalue faster then laboratory equipment. I don't know what the budget is but $800-1000 would probably buy a real kick-ass server. Just let me know if I can help-Patrick Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > the GIMP project has a steady flow of donations coming in. Not much, but > the amount has increased since the 2.4 release was made and since the > gimp.org website features the "Make a Donation" button more prominently. > > Until now we have spent this money mainly on the annual GIMP developers > conference which has taken place at the Library Graphics Meeting in the > last years. We have also spent a small amount of money on hardware (if > Yosh ever collected this money at all). > > I think this is good and we should continue to use the money in this > spirit. We urgently have to get new hardware for ftp.gimp.org and the > next LGM is coming. But I estimate that we should have some money left. > So let's discuss how to use it. > > I would like to propose that we use it to bring GIMP developers together > in an effort to motivate people to work on the tasks that are important > to bring GIMP ahead. I can imagine that it would help a lot if someone > who wants to work on a larger feature gets a chance to meet with Peter > and Kamila to discuss the user interaction. And to talk to Mitch to get > some hands-on tips on the code that will have to be touched. Or if a > handful of documenters could meet for a weekend to improve the user > manual. Or if GIMP and GEGL developers could get together for a few days > to get the integration going. > > Conferences are often too packed to actually go into details or to work > on the code. They are important, but I think it would be nice if we > would also be able to fund some smaller meetings that focus on getting > work done. What do you think? How could this work in practice? > > > Sven > > > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] using the GIMP donations
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 00:13 +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > Until now we have spent this money mainly on the annual GIMP developers > conference which has taken place at the Library Graphics Meeting in the That should have read "Libre Graphics Meeting" of course. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] using the GIMP donations
Hi, the GIMP project has a steady flow of donations coming in. Not much, but the amount has increased since the 2.4 release was made and since the gimp.org website features the "Make a Donation" button more prominently. Until now we have spent this money mainly on the annual GIMP developers conference which has taken place at the Library Graphics Meeting in the last years. We have also spent a small amount of money on hardware (if Yosh ever collected this money at all). I think this is good and we should continue to use the money in this spirit. We urgently have to get new hardware for ftp.gimp.org and the next LGM is coming. But I estimate that we should have some money left. So let's discuss how to use it. I would like to propose that we use it to bring GIMP developers together in an effort to motivate people to work on the tasks that are important to bring GIMP ahead. I can imagine that it would help a lot if someone who wants to work on a larger feature gets a chance to meet with Peter and Kamila to discuss the user interaction. And to talk to Mitch to get some hands-on tips on the code that will have to be touched. Or if a handful of documenters could meet for a weekend to improve the user manual. Or if GIMP and GEGL developers could get together for a few days to get the integration going. Conferences are often too packed to actually go into details or to work on the code. They are important, but I think it would be nice if we would also be able to fund some smaller meetings that focus on getting work done. What do you think? How could this work in practice? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GIMP at the 24C3
The 24th Chaos Communication Congress (24C3) is the annual four-day conference organized by the Chaos Computer Club (CCC). It takes place at the bcc Berliner Congress Center in Berlin, Germany. The Congress offers lectures and workshops on a multitude of topics and attracts a diverse audience of thousands of hackers, scientists, artists, and utopians from all around the world. The 24C3s slogan is Volldampf voraus! – the German equivalent of “full steam ahead” – a particular request for talks and projects featuring forward looking hands-on topics. 24th Chaos Communication Congress December 27th to 30th, 2007 bcc Berliner Congress Center, Berlin, Germany See http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Main_Page for more details. Just as in the last years, GIMP hackers and GIMP users will meet at the congress. You are invited to join us. Please let Mitch and/or me know if you want to attend. We will try to reserve some space for the GIMP crowd at the congress. Perhaps we can even fund some GIMP contributors who want to participate but can't afford to come to Berlin. But see my other mail for that... Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] finalizing the task list
Hi, since I don't seem to be getting to do it myself, I want to propose the details of the task list / roadmap that I would like to see published on www.gimp.org. Perhaps with your help it can be done... We discussed the roadmap here over the last few weeks and during that discussion a lot of development tasks have been proposed. I think many of them are in a state where we can say that we definitely want to implement this feature or do this change at some point. In my opinion it would be nice if we could collect these tasks into a list. This task list can then also serve the role of a roadmap. I imagine a list of tasks with short descriptions and a pointer to a bug report with more details. If no bug report exists yet, we should either create one or add a note that it still needs to be created. We should also mention if a UI specification is needed for a task. If it has even been written already, we should link to it. For the tasks where this is applicable, the list should also mention a tentative milestone. If someone is already working on it or has expressed to do so in this development cycle, his/her name should be added. Does this sound reasonable? Is there anything I missed? Any volunteers to work on this list? I hope that such a public task list can help to attract new developers. And I hope that it can show that development is active and into which direction it is steering. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gaussian blur in GIMP compared to Photoshop
Jesper de Jong wrote: >Is Gaussian blur not a standard algorithm that has a well-defined meaning >for the radius? See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur The answer is no, there is not a single well-defined meaning. From a mathematician's point of view, the equation contains an "r" parameter which it is natural to call the radius, but if you use that value, it will look to a user like the blur extends considerably farther outward. GIMP instead tries to use a scale such that the blur appears to a user to extend for approximately the specified distance. This is a matter of judgement, but the usage is consistent and seems to come close to matching people's intuition, as far as I can tell. -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the CNPRC Email system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paging Jernej Simoncic
On Tuesday, November 20, 2007, 19:00:28, Michael Grosberg wrote: > Jernej, if you are reading this, I was wondering if you received my > email with the Gimp-for-Win website makeover (as I got no reply so far - > did I get your email address wrong?) , and what you think of it. I didn't actually. Which address did you send it to? -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://deepthought.ena.si/ > The shortest distance between two points is under construction. -- McGregor's Revised Maxim ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Paging Jernej Simoncic
Jernej, if you are reading this, I was wondering if you received my email with the Gimp-for-Win website makeover (as I got no reply so far - did I get your email address wrong?) , and what you think of it. Michael ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gaussian blur in GIMP compared to Photoshop
On Nov 20, 2007 12:05 PM, Jesper de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is Gaussian blur not a standard algorithm that has a well-defined > meaning > > > for the radius? See for example > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur > > > > > > If it is, then which one is doing it wrong, CS3 or GIMP? The amount of blurring achieved by a gaussian blur is specified by the standard deviation of the blurring kernel not the size of the blurring kernel. This probably means that GIMP and Photoshop use different ways of computing the standard deviation used from the user specified radius. Using the size of the kernel (which probably is ~2.5x the standard deviation) might be leading to behavior similar to what GIMP is doing. /Øyvind K. -- «The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed» -- William Gibson http://pippin.gimp.org/http://ffii.org/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gaussian blur in GIMP compared to Photoshop
Hello David, Both Photoshop CS3 and GIMP are set to pixels. Jesper 2007/11/20, David Gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi Jespar, > On Nov 20, 2007 9:23 PM, Jesper de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed that with Gaussian blur, the Radius setting in GIMP means > > something different than in Photoshop CS3. > > > > As a test, I made a black square on a white background and used Gaussian > > blur on it with Photoshop CS3 and the current development version of > GIMP > > with radius 6.0 pixels. Photoshop blurs the image much more heavily than > > GIMP; to get the same effect with GIMP, I had to set the radius to > > approximately 19.0 pixels. > > Have you checked that the radius is in pixels in BOTH cases, and not > in inches or points? > > > > Is Gaussian blur not a standard algorithm that has a well-defined > meaning > > for the radius? See for example > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur > > > > If it is, then which one is doing it wrong, CS3 or GIMP? > -- Jesper de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gaussian blur in GIMP compared to Photoshop
Hi Jespar, On Nov 20, 2007 9:23 PM, Jesper de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed that with Gaussian blur, the Radius setting in GIMP means > something different than in Photoshop CS3. > > As a test, I made a black square on a white background and used Gaussian > blur on it with Photoshop CS3 and the current development version of GIMP > with radius 6.0 pixels. Photoshop blurs the image much more heavily than > GIMP; to get the same effect with GIMP, I had to set the radius to > approximately 19.0 pixels. Have you checked that the radius is in pixels in BOTH cases, and not in inches or points? > > Is Gaussian blur not a standard algorithm that has a well-defined meaning > for the radius? See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur > > If it is, then which one is doing it wrong, CS3 or GIMP? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Gaussian blur in GIMP compared to Photoshop
I noticed that with Gaussian blur, the Radius setting in GIMP means something different than in Photoshop CS3. As a test, I made a black square on a white background and used Gaussian blur on it with Photoshop CS3 and the current development version of GIMP with radius 6.0 pixels. Photoshop blurs the image much more heavily than GIMP; to get the same effect with GIMP, I had to set the radius to approximately 19.0 pixels. Is Gaussian blur not a standard algorithm that has a well-defined meaning for the radius? See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur If it is, then which one is doing it wrong, CS3 or GIMP? -- Jesper de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
