Re: [Gimp-developer] Patch for fli.c

2008-02-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 20:25 -0200, David Capello wrote:
 Hello, I don't know if I should send patches to this list, but anyway,
 I think that it's a good place.

We would prefer if you opened one or even several bug reports at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ with a description of the problems you see in
the plug-in. You can then attach your patches there.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Patch for fli.c

2008-02-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 20:25 -0200, David Capello wrote:

 On the other hand, I think that the GFLI plug-in has other problems
 (in the gfli.c file).

IMO we should remove this plug-in from the main distribution. It doesn't
seem to be very useful for the main target audience and it appears to be
buggy and unmaintained.

David, perhaps you want to take over maintainance of this plug-in and
keep it updated in the plug-in registry?


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread gg
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:55:13 +0100, Bill Skaggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been experimenting with ways of simplifying the user interface,  
 and
 one very simple change that I think gives a rather dramatic improvement
 in appearance is to remove the relief from the buttons that appear at
 the bottom of numerous dialogs.  This is a request for discussion.  I  
 have
 filed an enhancement request in Bugzilla showing a screenshot of what
 the result looks like, and a patch, see

 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515621

 What do people think?

   -- Bill

hi,

It's more like they are icons than buttons but it's pretty clear they're  
there to be clicked so I dont think it detracts from usability.

Yes , I like the clean, uncluttered appearance.

/gg



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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread peter sikking
Bill wrote:

 I have been experimenting with ways of simplifying the user  
 interface, and
 one very simple change that I think gives a rather dramatic  
 improvement
 in appearance is to remove the relief from the buttons that  
 appear at
 the bottom of numerous dialogs.  This is a request for discussion.   
 I have
 filed an enhancement request in Bugzilla showing a screenshot of what
 the result looks like, and a patch, see

 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515621

 What do people think?

I see that you and Mitch moved forward regardless.

There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they there,
allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog excepted.

I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are
displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

 --ps

 founder + principal interaction architect
 man + machine interface works

 http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture



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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread Bill Skaggs
To follow up for people who don't necessarily look at Bugzilla, this
change has been committed to trunk at Mitch's request, and
Mitch converted it into a style property, defaulting to no relief as
shown in the screenshot, so that, should there happen to be
anybody who wants the button relief, they can get it by adding
a line to the gtkrc file.

  -- Bill
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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread Bill Skaggs
On Feb 10, 2008 1:18 PM, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they there,
 allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog excepted.

I agree with this.  I too think it would be best to have buttons only
for the layers/channels/paths dialogs, since the others are not used as
much and their functions can be accessed by the right-click menu.  (Not
for the Tool Options right now, but that could easily be done.)

 I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are
 displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

 Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

I would be interested to know more about why it could not
be done.  In my view, every unnecessary edge we can get
rid of is a gain.

  -- Bill
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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread peter sikking
Bill wrote:

 peter sikking wrote:
 There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they  
 there,
 allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog  
 excepted.

 I agree with this.  I too think it would be best to have buttons only
 for the layers/channels/paths dialogs, since the others are not  
 used as
 much and their functions can be accessed by the right-click menu.   
 (Not
 for the Tool Options right now, but that could easily be done.)

right-click is a shortcut for a primary way to do things. So in
this case I see good chances for the not-so-often-used options
to go in their own little menu that gets accessed from a
small-no-relief-low-contrast-icon button in the corner of the dialog.

 I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are
 displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

 Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

 I would be interested to know more about why it could not
 be done.  In my view, every unnecessary edge we can get
 rid of is a gain.

find a legal way and you are my hero. Mitch and I could find
no way how gtk supports showing the relief only on mouse-over,
for things like pop-up menus.

 --ps

 founder + principal interaction architect
 man + machine interface works

 http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture



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Re: [Gimp-developer] request for discussion: removing button relief

2008-02-10 Thread Bill Skaggs
On Feb 10, 2008 4:16 PM, peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 right-click is a shortcut for a primary way to do things. So in
 this case I see good chances for the not-so-often-used options
 to go in their own little menu that gets accessed from a
 small-no-relief-low-contrast-icon button in the corner of the dialog.

They are already accessible that way, using the little button in
the upper right corner -- but two levels down in the menu, which
is not so good.  Anwyay I don't like that little arrow icon, which is
hard for me to see and hard for me to hit using the mouse.


 find a legal way and you are my hero. Mitch and I could find
 no way how gtk supports showing the relief only on mouse-over,
 for things like pop-up menus.

It will be amazing if you ever see me claiming to be able to solve
a programming problem that has defeated Mitch, but this particular
problem might be easier than it was a year ago, because Gtk+ 2.12
has added a shadow-type style property to the GtkComboBox
widget, which is the basis of most of the menus you are talking
about, if I understand you correctly.

  -- Bill
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Broken blending

2008-02-10 Thread Aurimas Juška
Hi,

On Feb 11, 2008 9:29 AM, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You aren't perhaps working with an image in Indexed mode, are you?

Yes, my fault.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Patch for fli.c

2008-02-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 20:25 -0200, David Capello wrote:

 The patch is for this specific file:
 http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gimp/trunk/plug-ins/gfli/fli.c
 It fixes two problems:
 * loading of fli files that specified width=height=0 (that means 320x200)

Where is this specified?

 * writing of differential color chunks (FLI_COLOR and FLI_COLOR_2).

Again, where is this specified? I don't know the file format, and I
don't think anyone else here has in-depth knowledge about it. So if you
want us to accept patches, you better point us to the official
documentation of the file format and explain what exactly the GIMP
plug-in is not doing correctly here.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Broken blending

2008-02-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 09:00 +0200, Aurimas Juška wrote:

 I just installed gimp 2.4.4 for Windows from binary distribution. Now,
 setting blending opacity = 50 results in full opacity, otherwise - no
 opacity.

You aren't perhaps working with an image in Indexed mode, are you?


Sven


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