Re: [Gimp-developer] Specs for Export/Save User Interface

2008-06-14 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Ingo Ruhnke wrote: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The basic idea is to forbid 'Save' to PNG here. > > Which of course would be stupid, since PNG is a perfectly valid > information-loss-free choice in many cases err, that sentence was with regard to the example

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-14 Thread gib_mir_mehl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is definately not a bug. [..] > Gimp does all these things correctly. It is aimed at a competant user > base, it does not try to be a beginner's guide using different formats. It is true that GIMP provides correct functionality for export/save. The corresponding

Re: [Gimp-developer] Specs for Export/Save User Interface

2008-06-14 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, Akkana Peck wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > 3) Putting Text on a .png (in-place file editing) > > - Open bla.png > > - Text layer created > > - Export to bla.png exporting to currently opened file > > is admittedly ugly, but > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-13 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, thank you all for taking the time to consider and being patient with me. It seems what's lacking most is the virtue of patience on my side... I understand now that multiple UIs are too expensive. (As a sidenote, the forking idea doesn't imply to anticipate the UI team's work. More appropriat

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from information loss

2008-06-12 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi all, Carl Karsten wrote: > proposed spec: > > File Open/Save/Save_as_Copy only work on .xcf - all other formats must use > File Import/Export.[1] What about using just Import/Export? The GIMP could take care of saving automatically, e.g. by writing XCFs to a private folder. Import/Export wo

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread gib_mir_mehl
sorry, the links got chopped off in my previous post: [1] Why does the user have to Save to disk at all? Are there inevitable hardware reasons why software can't take care of user's data? I don't think so. And old story and quite outside GIMP's scope, of course: http://jef.raskincente

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi all, Sven Neumann wrote: > [..] JPEG should not be offered as a save format. Saving > to a JPEG file is clearly an export. this is totally true. The problem is that this violates widely accepted UI standards. Usability shows it's ugly side here by demanding conformance to users' expectations

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Jon Senior wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What would a user interface look like for exporting undo history and > > for merging the history with the image again? > > > > Are there already proposals for this? > > Just my take... is this not something that GEGL and the non-destructive > editi

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, Alchemie foto\grafiche wrote: > > gib_mir_mehl wrote: > > Don't all those export troubles disintegrate once we presume a little > > more confidence in the undo function? > > More confidence will require a option to save undo history. > > As it is no

Re: [Gimp-developer] Specs for Export/Save User Interface

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi again, here's the first correction: in section Conversion Rules, read 'common format affected' as 'one example of a format affected by this dialog'. The conversion rules are listed by the current dialogs' texts to present the user's point of view. These dialogs are triggered by format capab

[Gimp-developer] Specs for Export/Save User Interface

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi all, here is a spec which claims to clean up the existent save/export features in a consistent manner. Problems addressed: - insufficient protection from data loss regarding layer & alpha information. This is considered a UI bug [7]. For an example see [1]. - too many dialogs which pop up i

[Gimp-developer] Export File dialog question

2008-06-10 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, from the docs: The export file dialog shows up if the image type does not match the format capabilites. If the user chooses 'Export', a suitably altered copy of the image is used for saving. If the user chooses 'Ignore', the image is fed directly to the save plugin instead. Are there examp

Re: [Gimp-developer] More intelligent user protection from information loss

2008-06-08 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 14:51 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The current protection mechanism for closing images is insufficient as > it doesn't > > differentiate between 'saved' and 'exported'. > > Yes, that is well-known and the plan is to change that at some p

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from information loss

2008-06-08 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Carl Karsten wrote: > proposed spec: > > File Open/Save/Save_as_Copy only work on .xcf - all other formats must use > File > Import/Export.[1] > > Add File/Import and Export to handle alien formats. Save_as_Copy and Export are the same (the user should be able to export as .xcf). This appro

[Gimp-developer] More intelligent user protection from information loss

2008-06-07 Thread gib_mir_mehl
The current protection mechanism for closing images is insufficient as it doesn't differentiate between 'saved' and 'exported'. Symptom 1: exporting to .png requires clicking a nag-screen Sympton 2: closing a multi-layered image which has been exported before doesn't give a warning about loosing