Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread gg
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:58:28 +0200, Guillermo Espertino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We, the users, tend to assume things based on the information we get on screen. .. or not on the screen, like percentages. ;) It's very clear that Photoshop doesn't use the IJG scale, but it should.

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On 7/7/07, Guillermo Espertino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The images I get from the camera are fine. My problem is that if adjust them, scale them and re-save them without explicitly change the quality setting they turn out really distorted. Even though I understand (now) the difference between

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread gg
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:38:57 +0200, Øyvind Kolås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GIMP could perhaps even warn a user the first time he presses Ctrl+S on a an opened JPEG image warning him that even with minimal or no real changes to the image the signal will be degraded. This should be a warning of

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread GSR - FR
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2007-07-06 at 2246.00 -0300): I'm noticing big differences between jpeg files from gimp and photoshop. Quality as artifacts, smoothing, false colours? Size? The same image exported as jpeg with the same quality factor (let's take 75% as an example) gives very different

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread gg
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:38:57 +0200, Øyvind Kolås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the image used in the JPEG Generation Loss figure in the example in the following text uses an image that shows how JPEG compression keeps different aspects of the image intact across multiple encode/decode cycles:

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread Guillermo Espertino
It seems that we're understanding each other. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: yes there does seem to be an issue here. I snipped the generation 0 part of that image did File | Save As... then reopened the new version and repeated the save several times. There is continual degradation. This

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-07 Thread Guillermo Espertino
GG: Can you clarify where this file is when you do CTRL+S ? You say you open directly from the camera , do you mean you are opening a file that is still on the camera ?! My camera stores the pictures in a Compact Flash card. I use a card reader. I copy those files to my hard drive, then I

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-06 Thread rcook
Trying to be more specific: If I open an image from my digital camera with gimp, adjusts its levels or curves, and re-save it, the saved image is very deteriorated. If I do the same with Photoshop that doesn't happen. I think it's problem, but let me know if I'm wrong. At least I know that I

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-06 Thread Guillermo Espertino
Mark. Thank you for your reply. I'd like to clarify some of my comments. You obviously have to compare qualities at similar filesizes. Everything else is irreelvant. I don't think the way the quality is expressed (I know, it's not quality but compression ratio) is irrelevant. If you came

Re: [Gimp-developer] jpeg quality factor.

2007-07-06 Thread Guillermo Espertino
Owen: Interesting, what platform are you using? Ubuntu Linux (7.04) and Gimp 2.3.18 Here if I can do say 10 re-saves at 85% quality, it produces no discernible changes in picture quality. In fact I have tried to prove that recompressing jpg pictures reduces the picture quality and got

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