[Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-31 Thread Могучий Сергей
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:07:40 +0200, Raphaël Quinet raphael at gimp.org wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:57:44 +0200, gg at catking.net wrote: Gimp should not decide what is better because it cannot know what is required so cannot make that choice. This sort of surprise behaviour is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-31 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:56:16 -0600, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:56:33AM +0200, Jakub Friedl wrote: I think that use image file quality unless defaults are 'better' is not thee problem. Problem is inheriting image quality between different images in one GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-31 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Rather strange conclusion from my POV - if something very convenient cannot be provided for each and every case, it shouldn't be provided at all. I can prove my opinion with a case with healing brush. It saves me a lot of time and efforts during photo retouching despite the fact it doesn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-31 Thread Robert L Krawitz
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:39:45 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?UmFwaGHDq2w=?= Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to save several images with the same settings, you can use the buttons Save defaults and Load defaults. We also have an enhancement request (bug #120829) about providing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-31 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:24:47 -0400, Robert L Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like what's happening is something like this: 1) Current JPEG quality setting is 85 2) User selects Use quality settings from original image if original image is better 3) Original

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread Jakub Friedl
I said when the new changes were being discussed that the use image file quality unless defaults are 'better' was a bad way to go. I think that use image file quality unless defaults are 'better' is not thee problem. Problem is inheriting image quality between different images in one GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
These are the best words I've heard on UI. A program cannot decide what is better for me because _I_have_not_told_it what _I_need_. This is a principle - it should be up to user, not a program. In a most common case of saving jpeg files I would like to be able to do via advanced mode: 1. See

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:57:44 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gimp should not decide what is better because it cannot know what is required so cannot make that choice. This sort of surprise behaviour is precisely the kind of thing I was warning against in making covert changes to user

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread gg
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:07:40 +0200, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:57:44 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gimp should not decide what is better because it cannot know what is required so cannot make that choice. This sort of surprise behaviour is precisely

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread Scott
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:56:33AM +0200, Jakub Friedl wrote: I think that use image file quality unless defaults are 'better' is not thee problem. Problem is inheriting image quality between different images in one GIMP session. I have a default quality of 85. Then I open DSLR image with

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread gg
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:56:16 +0200, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:56:33AM +0200, Jakub Friedl wrote: I think that use image file quality unless defaults are 'better' is not thee problem. Problem is inheriting image quality between different images in one GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-30 Thread Scott
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 12:19:23AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what you describe could be put under Save as. It is not Save though. Probably misusing the defaults. You're right, of course. Doh. I always use save as. And it works fine for my purposes (other than the save-to

[Gimp-developer] Annoying behavior of shared settings for file save plug-ins

2007-08-29 Thread Raphaël Quinet
Most file-save plug-ins share a behavior inherited from other plug-ins: they save and retrieve their last values so that invoking them again will use the same parameters. As discussed previously, this behavior is fine for image filters but leads to annoying consequences for file plug-ins: if you