Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-06-13 Thread C R
Looks good to me, Gez. Nice work. Only thing: I used the table layout to prevent wrapping which can be confusing/messy when space is confined. I could probably have used divs instead of table cells, however the table's structure was useful, guaranteed to work with whatever layout it's dropped into

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-06-12 Thread Gez
El lun, 01-06-2015 a las 01:04 +0100, C R escribió: > Thanks for the comments. For reference, the font styling is the same > that is already deployed throughout the site, the rounded corners > mimic the download button on the front page with the added requirement > that our not contain bitmap graph

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-06-02 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
The new design looks very good, much better than what was there previously. Users can quickly find the installer link now. I suggest a few changes: * Change "This link downloads the GIMP installer for Windows by Jernej Simončič via download.gimp.org." to "This link downloads the official GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 06/02/2015 12:48 AM, Burnell West wrote: Hi Burnell, > Do I infer correctly that a Linux user need not know of or care about > BitTorrent using that link? > If so, is it perhaps confusing to such folk (if any truly exist)? our "download links" for GNU/Linux users are currently more or le

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-06-01 Thread Burnell West
Do I infer correctly that a Linux user need not know of or care about BitTorrent using that link? If so, is it perhaps confusing to such folk (if any truly exist)? > On May 31, 2015, at 5:06 PM, C R wrote: > > No problem. Glad to help. > > -C ___ gi

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
No problem. Glad to help. -C On 1 Jun 2015 00:40, "Michael Schumacher" wrote: > > > On 06/01/2015 01:14 AM, Gez wrote: > > El dom, 31-05-2015 a las 17:14 +0100, C R escribió: > >> It does say "via BitTorrent" on the teal link. > >> There's a good case to be made for just listing the torrent file

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
Thanks for the comments. For reference, the font styling is the same that is already deployed throughout the site, the rounded corners mimic the download button on the front page with the added requirement that our not contain bitmap graphics, and the color scheme is designed to fit on with what's

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 01:40:10 +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > On 06/01/2015 01:14 AM, Gez wrote: >> El dom, 31-05-2015 a las 17:14 +0100, C R escribió: >>> It does say "via BitTorrent" on the teal link. >>> There's a good case to be made for just listing the torrent file as a >>> smaller text

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 06/01/2015 01:14 AM, Gez wrote: > El dom, 31-05-2015 a las 17:14 +0100, C R escribió: >> It does say "via BitTorrent" on the teal link. >> There's a good case to be made for just listing the torrent file as a >> smaller text-link after the orange download button, though. If I had my >> way, we

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Gez
El dom, 31-05-2015 a las 17:14 +0100, C R escribió: > It does say "via BitTorrent" on the teal link. > There's a good case to be made for just listing the torrent file as a > smaller text-link after the orange download button, though. If I had my > way, we would not be listing a torrent at all for

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
I've replaced "Windows executable" with "Windows installer" in the description. I've opted to keep the .exe extension however since it describes what the user can expect to be downloading when they click the download button. http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/index4.html On Sun, May 31, 201

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, May 31, 2015, 19:13:32, Geoffrey De Belie wrote: > Maybe it's better for users if you replace "executable" with "installer"? That would definitely be better. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ > Things always fall at right angles. -- Sprinkle's Law __

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, May 31, 2015, 19:09:53, C R wrote: > Ah, works fine in Iceweasel 24.3.0... freakish. > Oh well. Unfortunately, the packages for 38.0.1 aren't there for Ubuntu > 14.04 yet. May try to compile it form source later, but out of time today > unfortunately. It doesn't break for me on Firefox

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Geoffrey De Belie
Aan zo, 31 mei 2015 19:09:53 +0200 C R schreef > There's also this: > http://www.opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/index3.html > > That puts the extensions (which are still useful information) down where > they will not cause wrapping. > Maybe it's better for users if you

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
There's also this: http://www.opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/index3.html That puts the extensions (which are still useful information) down where they will not cause wrapping. Re: Iceweasel breakage: Ah, works fine in Iceweasel 24.3.0... freakish. Oh well. Unfortunately, the packages for 38.0.

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/31/2015 06:49 PM, C R wrote: > Sure, go for it. Let me know if you want/need anything else from me. > Odd that it breaks. I can't get it to break on any of the browsers I'm > using. :) > > If you'd let me know which browser is wrapping it, I can have a look at > altering the code. Iceweas

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
Sure, go for it. Let me know if you want/need anything else from me. Odd that it breaks. I can't get it to break on any of the browsers I'm using. :) If you'd let me know which browser is wrapping it, I can have a look at altering the code. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Michael Schumacher wro

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/31/2015 06:40 PM, C R wrote: > Michael, could you please elaborate on how the layout breaks, what browser > you are using, etc? It will help me come up with better solutions. > > The code validates under HTML5, so I'm unclear as to waht might be causing > the problems. The (.torrent) make

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
Michael, could you please elaborate on how the layout breaks, what browser you are using, etc? It will help me come up with better solutions. The code validates under HTML5, so I'm unclear as to waht might be causing the problems. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > >

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/31/2015 06:25 PM, C R wrote: > Here are a few changes, based on new suggestions: > http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/index2.html > > Windows capitalised (oops), and I've added (.exe) and (.torrent) > to the link titles. This is for those that have a hard time reading fine > print, a

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
Here are a few changes, based on new suggestions: http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/index2.html Windows capitalised (oops), and I've added (.exe) and (.torrent) to the link titles. This is for those that have a hard time reading fine print, and for some reason like the colour teal more than

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
It does say "via BitTorrent" on the teal link. There's a good case to be made for just listing the torrent file as a smaller text-link after the orange download button, though. If I had my way, we would not be listing a torrent at all for windows users, as there are far too many things that can go

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 15-05-31 08:43 AM, C R wrote: I have developed the html for the buttons. A test can be found here: http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/ [snip] Comments? Looks good to me. The text about BitTorrent states the key information someone should know about that option without being long win

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread Alan Pater
Are people going to read the fine print or just pick their favourite colour? Perhaps the second option might read GIMP Torrent. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 7:43 AM, C R wrote: > I have developed the html for the buttons. A test can be found here: > http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/ > > Note I

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-31 Thread C R
I have developed the html for the buttons. A test can be found here: http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/ Note I have also changed the text a bit to reflect Michael's latest comments: http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/ Note also that the links to not ink to real files, as I have set t

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/14/2015 08:47 AM, C R wrote: Hi, > To save retyping, here is the current text: we do not really have to worry about bandwidth usage (could be that the webserver config is the limiting factor) and especially not about fees. This allows us to make the texts a bit easier, and focus on the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-13 Thread C R
To save retyping, here is the current text: This link downloads the GIMP executable for windows via gimp."org. It can be a bit slow at times, so if you are having problems, or want to help us keep our bandwidth usage down, try the green link below for download via BitTorrent BitTorrent is a peer-

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-13 Thread C R
The rounded corners and drop shadows can be done with css. Recommended changes to the text? On 14 May 2015 00:10, "Michael Schumacher" wrote: > > > On 05/08/2015 11:04 PM, C R wrote: > >> I'd be ok with having two links labeled "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via HTTP" > >> and "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via Bi

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-13 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 11:04 PM, C R wrote: >> I'd be ok with having two links labeled "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via HTTP" >> and "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via Bittorrent" right above each other, in any >> order. This should also help to reduce the explanation for Bittorrent to >> one short paragraph >> >> To mak

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-09 Thread C R
I would prefer to keep the simple direct-download link first, unless it is known that torrenting provides a very substantial benefit to the GIMP project in terms of server band-width. If it doesn't, or if people are clicking the current "if the torrent link doesn't work click here" link 99 times ou

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Fri, 08 May 2015 20:46:43 -0400, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: > On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 22:04 +0100, C R wrote: >> > I'd be ok with having two links labeled "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via >> > HTTP" and "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via Bittorrent" right above each >> > other, in any order. This should also help t

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Liam R. E. Quin
On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 22:04 +0100, C R wrote: > > I'd be ok with having two links labeled "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via > > HTTP" and "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via Bittorrent" right above each > > other, in any order. This should also help to reduce the > > explanation for Bittorrent to one short paragr

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Burnell West
> How about this? > http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/gimp_windows_download_buttons2.png I like ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-de

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread C R
> I'd be ok with having two links labeled "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via HTTP" > and "Download GIMP 2.8.14 via Bittorrent" right above each other, in any > order. This should also help to reduce the explanation for Bittorrent to > one short paragraph > > To make this a bit more obvious, I'm imagining so

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 08:03 PM, C R wrote: >> >>> First try: >>> >> http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/gimp_windows_download_buttons.png >> >> Not really what I had in mind when you mentioned you planes, rather some >> small table that takes the place of the current download links, and a >> short,

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Liam R. E. Quin
On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 09:34 +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Hi schumaml > > On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 05:41:34PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > On 05/07/2015 10:25 AM, C R wrote: > > > > > Is the torrent listed first to save bandwidth on > > > download.gimp.org? > > > > Yes, and to also fo

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 06:12 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > On Fri, 08 May 2015 17:21:15 +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: >> On 05/08/2015 04:46 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote: >> >>> To what end? Is this to help GIMP users in some way >> >> It helps them to get download speeds that are reasonable, even if many >

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread C R
> > > First try: > > > http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/gimp_windows_download_buttons.png > > Not really what I had in mind when you mentioned you planes, rather some > small table that takes the place of the current download links, and a > short, one paragraph explanation below each of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 05:58 PM, C R wrote: > First try: > http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/gimp_windows_download_buttons.png Not really what I had in mind when you mentioned you planes, rather some small table that takes the place of the current download links, and a short, one paragraph explana

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Fri, 08 May 2015 17:21:15 +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > On 05/08/2015 04:46 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > >> To what end? Is this to help GIMP users in some way > > It helps them to get download speeds that are reasonable, even if many > (or actually, the more) people download the files at a

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 11:36 AM, C R wrote: > I prefer something simpler, with one download button for each link > (dislocated separate green buttons for download are visually confusing, for > example, especially if you are from a country that doesn't read from > right-to-left. Please make sure that the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread C R
First try: http://opendesignstudio.org/gimp/samples/gimp_windows_download_buttons.png I think it's a worthy thing to give users the option to torrent the files. If we are going to properly do that, let's make sure they don't have to go searching across the web for what they need, and be up-front a

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/08/2015 04:46 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > To what end? Is this to help GIMP users in some way It helps them to get download speeds that are reasonable, even if many (or actually, the more) people download the files at a given time. >> P.S. can you make your mail client reply to the list

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Kevin
On 2015-05-08 05:24, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: But to get inspired, just try this: https://nightly.mozilla.org/ You could have a split table for different versions That reminds me of something else I find useful on software download pages. It is handy when the page puts links related to th

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Kevin
On 2015-05-08 00:04, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: I favour changing this to a link to get the installer exe directly. I say this from my own perspective: If I am downloading some free software application for Windows, I'd prefer a direct link to the installer by default rather than getting the torre

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread C R
Yes, that's what I mean by "table layout". Probably something more minimalistic than that page, with clear separation between each entry. It's a bit of a mess with no separation between different links on the same line. The Firefox graphics people really like to spank your eyeballs with transparent

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-08 Thread Laxminarayan Kamath
tl;dr But to get inspired, just try this: https://nightly.mozilla.org/ You could have a split table for different versions dev/alpha/beta/stable , etc.. just like Mozilla for Desktop/Mobile/etc. -- Laxminarayan Kamath Ammembal http://lankerisms.blogspot.com (+91) 9945036093

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread C R
There seems to be enough interest in making a change of some sort to the Windows page. I will do a few mockups with different options, then pending any revisions, will provide a patch for the ver we agree on. Thanks to everyone for input and patience. -C On 8 May 2015 01:17, "Michael Schumacher"

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi schumaml On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 05:41:34PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > On 05/07/2015 10:25 AM, C R wrote: > > > Is the torrent listed first to save bandwidth on download.gimp.org? > > Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. I favour changing this to a link to get the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Fri, 08 May 2015 02:16:47 +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: > On 05/07/2015 09:39 PM, C R wrote: >>> Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. >> >> If I were a new user, I'd Google "torrent" and immediately get links for >> Pirate Bay and other dodgy stuff... nothing having to do

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/07/2015 09:39 PM, C R wrote: >> Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. > > If I were a new user, I'd Google "torrent" and immediately get links for > Pirate Bay and other dodgy stuff... nothing having to do with GIMP. Exactly. The torrent files for GIMP are there to exp

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Burnell West
On May 7, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > > On 05/07/2015 10:25 AM, C R wrote: > >> Is the torrent listed first to save bandwidth on download.gimp.org? > > Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. It might be more congenial, as well as more effective, to prov

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Gez
El jue, 07-05-2015 a las 20:39 +0100, C R escribió: > >Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. > > If I were a new user, I'd Google "torrent" and immediately get links for > Pirate Bay and other dodgy stuff... nothing having to do with GIMP. Thought > we were trying to prevent peop

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread C R
>Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. If I were a new user, I'd Google "torrent" and immediately get links for Pirate Bay and other dodgy stuff... nothing having to do with GIMP. Thought we were trying to prevent people from going to 3rd party websites and downloading viruses ac

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/07/2015 10:25 AM, C R wrote: > Is the torrent listed first to save bandwidth on download.gimp.org? Yes, and to also force Bittorrent knowledge upon users. > If not, maybe we should offer up the direct download executable first > to avoid confusion (and ranting and name-calling, apparentl

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-07 Thread C R
The first link in the download section for windows downloads a torrent link file, which users may not be familiar with. The second link direct-downloads the Windows install file from download.gimp.org Is the torrent listed first to save bandwidth on download.gimp.org? If not, maybe we should offer

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-06 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 05/06/2015 10:37 PM, Kevin wrote: > On 2015-05-05 12:23, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> I would be the first to acknowledge that our downloads page isn't fun. >> However I'm looking at it right now fro a Windows machine and I see a >> huge download link at the top of the page, so I have no ide

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-06 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Kevin wrote: >> our downloads page isn't fun. However I'm looking at it right now >> and I see a huge download link at the top of the page > > The big download button on the top of the main page I wasn't talking about the main page. > Buried a long way down the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-06 Thread Kevin
On 2015-05-05 12:23, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: I would be the first to acknowledge that our downloads page isn't fun. However I'm looking at it right now fro a Windows machine and I see a huge download link at the top of the page, so I have no idea why Farkas would even have to go as far as the

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-05 Thread C R
It's just... the entitlement, man, the entitlement. Lol. My apologies for the wrong reply. I will attempt more diplomacy in the future. On Tue, 5 May 2015 17:23 Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:19 PM, C R wrote: > > If downloading the proper

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-05 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:19 PM, C R wrote: > If downloading the proper installation file for your system is tiring your > mind, it is probably not the kind of mind that can handle learning GIMP. This would be the wrong kind of reply :) I would be the first to acknowledge that our downloads page i

Re: [Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-05 Thread C R
If downloading the proper installation file for your system is tiring your mind, it is probably not the kind of mind that can handle learning GIMP. Maybe hire a designer instead? PS- Better get used to geeks, we make everything your sleepy brain loves in life. On 5 May 2015 14:12, "Farkas Flórián

[Gimp-developer] wtf with the download?

2015-05-05 Thread Farkas Flórián
Jesus, wtf, why don't you guys just provide a single freaking download link insteadof tiring my mind with three pages of technical bs about how to download gimp with20 mirrors and ftp servers and a torrent file.Stop being such freaking geeks, I'm looking for a program to use and don't want to sp