Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-30 Thread Marc Lehmann

On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 07:20:06PM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 If someone volunteers to write the code to generate the SGML out of the 
 PDB, I don't think it's too late to add the necessary comment blocks to
 the rest of the libgimp code.

Unless yosh wants to integrate this into pdbgen (I won't), feel free to
assign this to me...

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Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-29 Thread Dean Johnson

Marc Lehmann spontaneously blurts out:
 
 The solution to too large menus is a better way to display them, not
 demanding that I use the same font as you.
 

Exactly! Scaling is one of the the biggest problems with modern (especially
Open Source) GUI design. Stuff gets written to accommodate the author's 
immediate needs and what happens when the data (in this case plugins) explodes
in number.  EVERY gui developer (casual or not) should be required to 
read Tufte's design books before being allowed to code.

Perhaps this is something that we should talk about at LWE.

-Dean Johnson
 Tool Hooligan
 Cluster Admin Tools  Jessie Project
 Silicon Graphics Inc.Eagan,MN  (651) 683-5880

 
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Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-29 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin

On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:27:16 -0600 (CST), Dean Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

EVERY gui developer (casual or not) should be required to read
Tufte's design books before being allowed to code.

Heh.  Send me copies and I'll gladly read them. :)

Kelly



Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-29 Thread Dean Johnson

Kelly Lynn Martin spontaneously blurts out:
 
 On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:27:16 -0600 (CST), Dean Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 EVERY gui developer (casual or not) should be required to read
 Tufte's design books before being allowed to code.
 
 Heh.  Send me copies and I'll gladly read them. :)
 

For those of you who aren't familiar with Tufte's books:

"The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" by Edward R. Tufte 
ISBN: 096139210X

"Envisioning Information" by Edward R. Tufte 
ISBN: 0961392118

They are the Knuth-esque books for user interface stuff, not necessarily
computer stuff either. On amazon, they refer to it as "The Strunk  White 
of visual design". 

-Dean Johnson
 Tool Hooligan
 Cluster Admin Tools  Jessie Project
 Silicon Graphics Inc.Eagan,MN  (651) 683-5880

 
  "I am Dyslexic of Borg, Your Ass will be Laminated"-- unknown
 



Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-29 Thread Sven Neumann

 
 Does translation of filter help tips make any sense ?
 Or would it be like with internal function help tips
 and they are going to be excluded ? (1.1.6-1.1.10).
 

I'm not really sure. It surely creates lots of work for the 
translators and I don't know if it is worth it. If we could
agree on this subject, I would volunteer to remove the marks
from all help-strings in the plugins PDB registration 
functions.

 Most of plugins place ":" in different positions
 "bla bla:"
 "bla bla: "
 "bla bla :"
 "bla bla : "
 etc.
 Is it possible to choose one (more likely the first one)
 and post it somewhere from where people could read it and change their
 sources.

This is handled much better after Mitch overworked most plug-ins UI 
once again. If you still find places that should be changed, please 
provide a patch. 

 Continue with the plugins:
 all general options, main options ,general preferencies etc
 change them all to "options" and unify.
 

Ditto. Most plugins use the term "Parameter Settings" now.

 Necessary Reconstruction of Menu Image/Tools
 It's too big (to be honest I really don't have an idea how to do it)
 If it fits in 640x480 it's ok but if not-please rebuild.

Well, I don't know of anyone using it frequently. Only probably to 
look up or change keybindings, so I guess we can easily add another
level of submenus in here. A menu that doesn't fit into 640x480 is 
indeed a bug.


Salut, Sven




Re: The Gimp: New Generation

2000-01-29 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin

On Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:59:23 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

This is handled much better after Mitch overworked most plug-ins UI 
once again. If you still find places that should be changed, please 
provide a patch.

If Mitch has gone to the effort to normalize existing plug-ins, I
think would be nice of him to write up exactly what standards he
followed so we can have a nice document on plug-in UI standards. :)

Kelly