Re: [Gimp-user] generate png images with transparent pixel that filled with correct color on viewers do not support transparency

2006-12-14 Thread Jozef Legeny
On 12/14/06, David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/14/06, 韡武 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The email subject says it all, though it's very long.
 
  I am used to creating png images with transparent pixels/area that I can
  safely (safe = even work with the worst browser that people call IE) use
  on the web, the trick is to convert image with transparency to indexed
  color with less then 256 colors, save the png image.
 
  Now another challenge: I use very bright background color on the web for
  most png-pixel-transparent images, these images look very bad if they
  are put on dark background. And for one situation I am in now I have to
  make these images display fine on viewers that do not support
  transparency, e.g. xview.

 If I select the transparent area, clear it to the color I want, then clear
 it to transparency, and save with 'save background color' ON and 'save color
 values from transparent pixels' OFF, then xview uses that color correctly.



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the trick is to have the image saved always with full alpha and
transparency (AND in xcf format). Then all you have to do is to have
one layer with foreground (for example an icon or a button) and
another layer under it filled with background color. Make sure that
your foreground is well adapted to any background color. Then when you
want to save your final image you save it in another file and perform
the indexing operation and give it a transparent color.


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Re: [Gimp-user] plugins for photographers

2006-12-14 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Hello, Luka

I wasn't able to find this mode, sorry :(. I set foreground color to 
the current color of some part of an image, the background color to the 
desired color, set the mode from foreground color but it did not help 
- the color to be changed appeared grey, not background color.
I'll try to express the idea. We have some object of the scene of the 
known color. It is not grey, but it has known color. So I want to adjust 
the WB to match the actual color of the object with its known color 
(make them equal).
The practical example follows. My father's room is lighted with halogen 
lamps, and the light is rather strong. So if I take photos in this room, 
the resulting light is a combination of flash and external light. And 
the ratio between these lights differs from shot to shot, so there are 
no permanent WB settings. And it's really impossible to add grey card to 
each shot :) at the party. But if the correct color can be once found of 
some cloths or wall these data may be used when processing further images.



Luca de Alfaro wrote:
 
 Alexander,
 
 yes, I was also very much missing methods for adjusting the white 
 balance of an image.
 
 I wonder if you know, but the grey-point plugin has a mode in which it 
 converts from a color A (foreground, which you can specify with the 
 eyedropper) to color B (background, which you can specify with the 
 eyedropper or with by choosing the color).  
 
 


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Re: [Gimp-user] plugins for photographers

2006-12-14 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On 12/13/06, Luca de Alfaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, I made two plugins (available from the repository):

 - colortemp: converts the color temperature of an image.  You can specify
 the source temperature in K, or as the temperatue at which a black-body
 color best matches the selected foreground color.

 - whitebalance: converts the foreground color to either neutral gray, or to
 a specified background color.  This is similar to grey-point, the difference
 being that the color transformation can be performed in the linear, rather
 than in the gamma-corrected, color space, and so may work better for
 removing color casts.

Another plug-in to do combined adjustments of whitebalance, levels and
saturation can be found at
http://pippin.gimp.org/plug-ins/color_correct/ I haven't touched the
code of the plug-in in a long time, and the user interface have a few
rough edges, but it provides live preview in the image, as well as the
ability to do an initial automatic whitebalance / white balance based
on a picked neutral grey, as well as adjusting the blackpoint.

/Øyvind K.

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Re: [Gimp-user] plugins for photographers

2006-12-14 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
I usually use noise reduction with a grain of salt. As I understand, 
GREYCstoration differs in its approach from most of other filters: it 
tries to predict some edges in initial picture, not to simply blur it.
http://www.haypocalc.com/wiki/GREYCstoration_en
I usually decrease the amount of noise reduction the plug-in provides 
as default. Also if only some important details suffer from visible 
noise they can be selected and GREYCstoration then applies to the 
selection only. It takes much less time and memory.
Concerning its development it seems it does not take place now :(. The 
latest version I ever seen is greycstoration-0.2.4-a.tgz . I do not 
remember where I've got it from.


Fabrizio Lippolis wrote:
 Alexander Rabtchevich ha scritto:
 
 4. GREYCstoration - for noise reduction.
 
 Yesterday I have tried this one and dcam noise 2. Well, GREYCstoration 
 seems rather slow to me, it takes really long time to complete and at 
 the end I didn't see any improvement to the image (maybe the parameters 
 where not set the right way). The second is much faster though in the 
 first tries the result contained very blurred areas where the noise is 
 particularly strong. Anyway playing with the parameters I could obtain 
 still good details containing the noise and the result is very similar 
 to what I obtained applying the gaussian blur.
 
 Being slower I assume GREYCstoration performs much more complex 
 calculation, do you think it offers a better algorithm than the other 
 plugins around? On the other hand it looks it is not mantained very 
 actively, or am I wrong?
 
 Best regards,
 Fabrizio
 



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[Gimp-user] Python/Assigned shortcuts...

2006-12-14 Thread jbaker
A couple questions...

1) Using python, is there a way to call the Save keyboard shortcuts 
now function thats already built-in...
2) Is there a way (with python) to have Gimp read menurc/controllerrc 
again ?

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[Gimp-user] Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush, please?

2006-12-14 Thread Luca de Alfaro

I often open photos to do color balancing, etc, and I am annoyed that Gimp
selects, as the first tool, something as dangerous as a brush.  An errant
click of the mouse, and splat! - a black dot on my photo.  Sure, I can undo
it - *if* I realize that I did it (with many windows open, an errant click
does occur).  However, I think it would be better if Gimp started with
something innocuous, such as a selection tool (as Photoshop does), or the
color picker.

Is there some way to reconfigure it?

Thanks!

Luca
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Re: [Gimp-user] Python/Assigned shortcuts...

2006-12-14 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 10:54 -0500, jbaker wrote:

 1) Using python, is there a way to call the Save keyboard shortcuts 
 now function thats already built-in...
 2) Is there a way (with python) to have Gimp read menurc/controllerrc 
 again ?

No and no.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-user] Color temperature modification plugin available!

2006-12-14 Thread norman
 snip 

  http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=8730 

 I hope it can be useful to others! Give it a try, it has extensive
 help included. 

I would be glad to give it a try if you could please explain to this,
somewhat ignorant linux user, what to do to obtain the plugin.

Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush

2006-12-14 Thread George Farris
On Thu, 2006-14-12 at 12:00 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush

Yes +1


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Re: [Gimp-user] plugins for photographers

2006-12-14 Thread GSR - FR
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2006-12-14 at 0950.07 +0100):
 Being slower I assume GREYCstoration performs much more complex 
 calculation, do you think it offers a better algorithm than the other 
 plugins around? On the other hand it looks it is not mantained very 
 actively, or am I wrong?

Gimp version seems be have been untouched for a year, but the core
system (CImg lib) gets periodic updates, including a recent speed up
in greyc, you can test the command line denoiser for speed changes.

GSR
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Color temperature modification plugin available!

2006-12-14 Thread Scott Bicknell
On Thursday 14 December 2006 11:36 am, norman wrote:

 I would be glad to give it a try if you could please explain
 to this, somewhat ignorant linux user, what to do to obtain
 the plugin.

http://registry.gimp.org/file/colortemp.scm?action=downloadid=8738

Follow that link. Then save the file to 
your /home/$USER/.gimp*/scripts directory.
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Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: Gimp User Manual 0.11 released

2006-12-14 Thread Russbucket
On Mon December 11 2006 12:08, Roman Joost wrote:
 Hi!

 After more than eight months of work, the documentation team is proud to
 announce a new release of the user manual for GIMP 2.2. This release
 features a lot of improvements, in particular:

 * Spelling and grammar fixes for German, French, Italian, Czech and
   Dutch

 * New language: Korean, Norwegian and Russian

 * Technical fixes: Support for the new table of contents view in the
   help browser that ships with recent development versions of GIMP

 * New content for German, Spanish, Russian, Czech and French

 * Lots of bug fixes

 You can download gimp-help-2-0.11 from:

 ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/

 The manual is written in DocBook/XML. Please help us to improve it and
 to fix grammar and spelling errors. Every contributor who wants to help
 us by providing DocBook/XML patches or just proof reads the manual is
 very welcome.

 You can find our new project page at:

 http://docs.gimp.org

 Thanks to the contributions from Nickolay V. Shmyrev, Julien Hardelin,
 Sven Neumann, Manuel Quiñones, Marco Ciampa, Ulf-D. Ehlert, Michael
 Natterer, Pierre Perrier, Anne Schneider, Jakub Friedl, Alessandro
 Falappa, Axel Wernicke, Mr. Dust, Hans de Jonge, Kolbjørn Stuestøl, Jan
 Smith, Adolf Gerold, Thomas Güttler, Oleg Fritz, Raymon Van Wanrooij,
 Sally C. Barry, Vitaly Lomov, Stephen Brown, Roxana Chernogolova,
 Alexandre Prokoudine

 Happy GIMPing!
I just downloaded and installed the new GIMP manual on SUSE10.0 I did it using 
checkinstall (checkinstall -R --install=yes)  instead of make install. It 
built the rpm fine, installed the manual and YAST software management shows 
it installed. Only issue I ran into was clicking help in GIMP2.2 it can not 
find the Mozilla browser (Must be default in your installation program) I 
corrected it by changing my GIMP browser preference to firefox %s and it 
works, then changed to Konqueror (no%s) and it also works. Briefly looking at  
the manual it appears it will be helpful. 

Thanks for the good work.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush

2006-12-14 Thread Russbucket
On Thu December 14 2006 13:07, George Farris wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-14-12 at 12:00 -0800,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush

 Yes +1


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Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: Gimp User Manual 0.11 released

2006-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I've downloaded the pdf manual.
It is still the same 7July06 version.
What am I doing wrong?



Russbucket wrote:

On Mon December 11 2006 12:08, Roman Joost wrote:

Hi!

After more than eight months of work, the documentation team is proud to
announce a new release of the user manual for GIMP 2.2. This release
features a lot of improvements, in particular:

* Spelling and grammar fixes for German, French, Italian, Czech and
  Dutch

* New language: Korean, Norwegian and Russian

* Technical fixes: Support for the new table of contents view in the
  help browser that ships with recent development versions of GIMP

* New content for German, Spanish, Russian, Czech and French

* Lots of bug fixes

You can download gimp-help-2-0.11 from:

ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/

The manual is written in DocBook/XML. Please help us to improve it and
to fix grammar and spelling errors. Every contributor who wants to help
us by providing DocBook/XML patches or just proof reads the manual is
very welcome.

You can find our new project page at:

http://docs.gimp.org

Thanks to the contributions from Nickolay V. Shmyrev, Julien Hardelin,
Sven Neumann, Manuel Quiñones, Marco Ciampa, Ulf-D. Ehlert, Michael
Natterer, Pierre Perrier, Anne Schneider, Jakub Friedl, Alessandro
Falappa, Axel Wernicke, Mr. Dust, Hans de Jonge, Kolbjørn Stuestøl, Jan
Smith, Adolf Gerold, Thomas Güttler, Oleg Fritz, Raymon Van Wanrooij,
Sally C. Barry, Vitaly Lomov, Stephen Brown, Roxana Chernogolova,
Alexandre Prokoudine

Happy GIMPing!
I just downloaded and installed the new GIMP manual on SUSE10.0 I did it using 
checkinstall (checkinstall -R --install=yes)  instead of make install. It 
built the rpm fine, installed the manual and YAST software management shows 
it installed. Only issue I ran into was clicking help in GIMP2.2 it can not 
find the Mozilla browser (Must be default in your installation program) I 
corrected it by changing my GIMP browser preference to firefox %s and it 
works, then changed to Konqueror (no%s) and it also works. Briefly looking at  
the manual it appears it will be helpful. 


Thanks for the good work.
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Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: Gimp User Manual 0.11 released

2006-12-14 Thread Russbucket
On Thu December 14 2006 18:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've downloaded the pdf manual.
 It is still the same 7July06 version.
 What am I doing wrong?
Not good to top post. Not sure what OS you have but link below in Roman Joost 
message has zipped version and link to windows if I remember. I have removed 
the  beside  the link. Hope this helps.

 Russbucket wrote:
  On Mon December 11 2006 12:08, Roman Joost wrote:
  Hi!
 
  After more than eight months of work, the documentation team is proud to
  announce a new release of the user manual for GIMP 2.2. This release
  features a lot of improvements, in particular:
 
  * Spelling and grammar fixes for German, French, Italian, Czech and
Dutch
 
  * New language: Korean, Norwegian and Russian
 
  * Technical fixes: Support for the new table of contents view in the
help browser that ships with recent development versions of GIMP
 
  * New content for German, Spanish, Russian, Czech and French
 
  * Lots of bug fixes
 
 You can download gimp-help-2-0.11 from:

ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/
 
  The manual is written in DocBook/XML. Please help us to improve it and
  to fix grammar and spelling errors. Every contributor who wants to help
  us by providing DocBook/XML patches or just proof reads the manual is
  very welcome.
 
  You can find our new project page at:
 
  http://docs.gimp.org
 
  Thanks to the contributions from Nickolay V. Shmyrev, Julien Hardelin,
  Sven Neumann, Manuel Quiñones, Marco Ciampa, Ulf-D. Ehlert, Michael
  Natterer, Pierre Perrier, Anne Schneider, Jakub Friedl, Alessandro
  Falappa, Axel Wernicke, Mr. Dust, Hans de Jonge, Kolbjørn Stuestøl, Jan
  Smith, Adolf Gerold, Thomas Güttler, Oleg Fritz, Raymon Van Wanrooij,
  Sally C. Barry, Vitaly Lomov, Stephen Brown, Roxana Chernogolova,
  Alexandre Prokoudine
 
  Happy GIMPing!
 
  I just downloaded and installed the new GIMP manual on SUSE10.0 I did it
  using checkinstall (checkinstall -R --install=yes)  instead of make
  install. It built the rpm fine, installed the manual and YAST software
  management shows it installed. Only issue I ran into was clicking help in
  GIMP2.2 it can not find the Mozilla browser (Must be default in your
  installation program) I corrected it by changing my GIMP browser
  preference to firefox %s and it works, then changed to Konqueror (no%s)
  and it also works. Briefly looking at the manual it appears it will be
  helpful.
 
  Thanks for the good work.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush

2006-12-14 Thread User1001
Select the desired startup/initial tool, then save your Preferences, which also
saves the currently selected tool - which then gets selected the next time Gimp2
is started:

0) Select desired tool to start up with
1) File/Preferences/Input Devices
2) Save Input Device Settings Now
3) OK


Russbucket wrote:
 On Thu December 14 2006 13:07, George Farris wrote:
 On Thu, 2006-14-12 at 12:00 -0800,

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can Gimp start with something less dangerous than a brush
 Yes +1
 I agree this one caught me a couple of times, maybe the select box.

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Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: Gimp User Manual 0.11 released

2006-12-14 Thread Axel Wernicke
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Hi,

please note, that the pdf version is not part of the official  
release. All pdf files are very experimental, for some languages the  
manual can not even provided as pdf in experimental status.

Further more, it would be helpful to tell us which language you were  
looking for.

Greetings, lexA

Am 15.12.2006 um 03:47 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I've downloaded the pdf manual.
 It is still the same 7July06 version.
 What am I doing wrong?



 Russbucket wrote:
 On Mon December 11 2006 12:08, Roman Joost wrote:
 Hi!

 After more than eight months of work, the documentation team is  
 proud to
 announce a new release of the user manual for GIMP 2.2. This release
 features a lot of improvements, in particular:

 * Spelling and grammar fixes for German, French, Italian,  
 Czech and
   Dutch

 * New language: Korean, Norwegian and Russian

 * Technical fixes: Support for the new table of contents view  
 in the
   help browser that ships with recent development versions of  
 GIMP

 * New content for German, Spanish, Russian, Czech and French

 * Lots of bug fixes

 You can download gimp-help-2-0.11 from:

 ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/

 The manual is written in DocBook/XML. Please help us to improve  
 it and
 to fix grammar and spelling errors. Every contributor who wants  
 to help
 us by providing DocBook/XML patches or just proof reads the  
 manual is
 very welcome.

 You can find our new project page at:

 http://docs.gimp.org

 Thanks to the contributions from Nickolay V. Shmyrev, Julien  
 Hardelin,
 Sven Neumann, Manuel Quiñones, Marco Ciampa, Ulf-D. Ehlert, Michael
 Natterer, Pierre Perrier, Anne Schneider, Jakub Friedl, Alessandro
 Falappa, Axel Wernicke, Mr. Dust, Hans de Jonge, Kolbjørn  
 Stuestøl, Jan
 Smith, Adolf Gerold, Thomas Güttler, Oleg Fritz, Raymon Van  
 Wanrooij,
 Sally C. Barry, Vitaly Lomov, Stephen Brown, Roxana Chernogolova,
 Alexandre Prokoudine

 Happy GIMPing!
 I just downloaded and installed the new GIMP manual on SUSE10.0 I  
 did it using checkinstall (checkinstall -R --install=yes)  instead  
 of make install. It built the rpm fine, installed the manual and  
 YAST software management shows it installed. Only issue I ran into  
 was clicking help in GIMP2.2 it can not find the Mozilla browser  
 (Must be default in your installation program) I corrected it by  
 changing my GIMP browser preference to firefox %s and it works,  
 then changed to Konqueror (no%s) and it also works. Briefly  
 looking at  the manual it appears it will be helpful. Thanks for  
 the good work.
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