Re: [Gimp-user] Help needed making a gradient in Gimp 2.0.1
Tom Williams wrote: Ok, I'm trying to make a gradient that looks exactly like this: http://www.bay-online-media.com/tom/graident.jpg I'm starting with a duplicate of the FG to BG (RGB) gradient and I can edit my copy just fine. However, I just can't get the threshold just right such that the color change looks just like in the image above. Not sure if you realized this or not, but maybe it will help. Given a selected area, if you start the gradient tool early (before the selection or layer), it will have already begun to fade by the time you enter the selection/layer area. Likewise, if you start at the precise border, but you extend your 'stroke' of the gradient tool well past the frame of the selection or layer area, you will have an ending color that is closer to the foreground color than it is to the background color. This in no way controls specificly at what interval and rate the gradient changes, but I thought it might be helpful to point out that the gradient doesn't have to start and end on the foreground and background colors. - Greg ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Maybe you want to try another distro. On my Debian box, I typed apt-get install gimp and it got installed. No problem there. Somewhere I read recently that if you switch to Debian, you'll be asking yourself Why didn't I do this sooner?I can vouch for that. A lot of times you see somebody say: (in reference to some application install problem) Hey why don't you just switch to [insert favorite distro], it rocks!. I do not generally recommend this sort of advice since the user has most likely invested a lot of effort into their current desktop/OS setup. It is also possible that they may need to use one distribution at work, so that using a different distribution at home could entail more learning, maintenance effort and problems than it is worth. With all the caveats mentioned, I am really happy that I've been able to switch to Debian, and that installing software applications on Debian (using apt) is a dream compared to the RPM way. (Maybe yum is like apt. I don't know, I've never tried yum on RedHat). This is all you have to do to install GIMP on Debian (Sarge) # echo deb http://mars.iti.pk.edu.pl/~jakub/dist/sarge ./ /etc/apt/sources.list # apt-get update # apt-get install gimp gimp-gap gimp-help-2 Anyway, here's my bit of advice to anyone installing GIMP: If you would like to try Debian (which has the advantage of being a GNU-linux distribution, not a commercial linux distribution), you will not have any difficulty installing GIMP 2.0.1. And (mostly as an aside-since this is a GIMP-user list) installing Debian is also quite a pleasure if you have a good Internet connection. I downloaded and burned the 51MB business-card CD iso instead of the usual 3 x 700MB iso download of other distributions. And did the install before going to bed. It sets up the basic system, then retrieves and installs all the other software packages while you're sleeping. In the morning, I finished answering a few questions, and my new system was ready to go. Maybe this is just like doing a network installl for RedHat, but I was always under the impression that you needed to setup your own network server to do a network install for RedHat. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
rob wrote: Rember you need all the -dev rpms if you want to compile stuff. It would be a much much beter idea for you to install the rpm. Ditching suse for debian would also be a good idea. I too had literally the worst experience thus far in my Linux life trying to install GIMP 2.0 on a Fedora Core distro. Some blame may go to FC and some to the GIMP website. I do NOT know enough about installing software and administering Linux systems to accurately identify what made my experience so dreadful. However, let me point out that it just 'worked' on Windows. All I had to do was download the exe installer for GTK and GIMP, install A before B, and it was done. On Fedora, I tried installing RPM, but had failed dependencies that I could *not* find. I tried compiling and installing from source, but ran into an endless confusing set of problems related to version conflicts reported by the system (causing me to learn a lot about compiling linked libraries, and setting environment variables etc. that I don't have time to learn just to get a piece of graphic software installed.) I tried precompiled binaries, but again ran into problems with the system either missing some dependency, or some version conflict (I can't remember exactly). The point is this.it doesn't matter *why* it is difficult, it matters that it *is* difficult. The result is that people will not use the GIMP unless they are on Windows, or they are/have access to a Linux guru to install it. My case is partly unique because as a Free Software advocate and developer, I *want* to learn all the internals regarding system administration and compiling, so I'll sweat through all the details and the frustrations until it works. I am also extremely motivated to get the GIMP installed on Linux, because I use Linux full-time at work, and only use Windows on rare occasions at home, plus I do image manipulation both professionally and for fun. Lastly, I committed to give presentations on the GIMP to LUGs, so I had better get my system setup. With all these motivations (and help from the community), I got GIMP working. I had the liberty of switching distributions, because I just bought a new disk that I could migrate to, and I *wanted* to switch distros from RedHat (FC1) to Debian for a lot of reasons which are beyond the scope of this message. The point here is that mine is a very unique case. 99% of people will not, and should not be encouraged to, switch distributions just to get a single application installed. That said, I have to report complete satisfaction with installing GIMP 2 on Debian (Sarge). I followed a simple 3 or 4 step procedure (found from a link on Gimp.org) and it was done. It worked as good as the install process for Windows. My hope is that the 'tricks' to installing on these notoriously difficult distributions can be added to GIMP.org. For example: Compiling from source is not recommended unless you know about X, Y, and Z. To learn more about X, Y, and Z, go here. You need -dev RPMs for all your tools and libraries. You can get those off your distro CDs if you have Source RPMs, or you can download them here Here is a walkthrough and some good diagnostic commands that will help you determine how your current system is setup (assuming you've got a working distro but are not a uber-geek and so don't know these magic incantations.) Here is a step-by-step decision tree to get GIMP installed depending on the answers to these diagnostic tools. The outcomes I'm after are: a) more happy users of the GIMP b) less drag on the community answering questions related to 'ordinary' installs -- FREePHILE We are 'Open' for Business Free and Open Source Software http://www.freephile.com (978) 270-2425 I was playing poker the other night... with Tarot cards. I got a full house and 4 people died. -- Steven Wright ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hope is that the 'tricks' to installing on these notoriously difficult distributions can be added to GIMP.org. For example: Compiling from source is not recommended unless you know about X, Y, and Z. To learn more about X, Y, and Z, go here. You need -dev RPMs for all your tools and libraries. You can get those off your distro CDs if you have Source RPMs, or you can download them here.. Sven Neumann wrote: Nothing of this is GIMP specific. All just basic problems common to whatever software you compile. Why should this info be duplicated yet another time on the gimp.org web-site? I don't know. I guess I don't know where to find this info so if there is somewhere else on the net (e.g. tldp.org) where I can quickly learn the essentials that I'm going to need but are beyond the scope of the gimp.org download page, then it would be good to have a link to that reference source. For example, there is a 10-part HOWTO at tldp.org on compiling Apache from source (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Compile-HOWTO/index.html) Gimp.org tells me that compiling from source is not so hard as long as you have met these dependencieswhen I did download and install the dependencies, I found that there was a specific order for installing these (not addressed on gimp.org), and that there were also some dependencies of the dependencies that were not listed on gimp.org. The install for Windows XP, and Debian (Sarge) are frictionless. With other platforms or distros, you're potentially going to run into blockers. These are issues that GIMP developers/testers/volunteers might want to address in a) an install script (if that is even possible) or b) an install guide. I expect the more 'polished' software to have installers that take care of the complexities. OpenOffice.org does a good job of hiding the complexities, and Mozilla has been more recently successful in this area as well. I think GIMP, and GTK are essential parts of the Free Software desktop, so I hope that any ordinary user can take advantage of them. All I am reporting is that it can be difficult to install GIMP. If I were capable of making it easier to install, I would. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp presentation at UNH
Alan Horkan wrote: I'd strongly recommend you tell users about the psmenurc if you replace the default menurc with psmenurc it gives you keybindings more like those used in Adobe Photoshop, and it makes using the Gimp a lot more comfortable for many users, unfortunately it is a hard feature to find out about. Great point. Thanks for reminding me. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp presentation at UNH
David Neary wrote: I did a presentation (in French) for the libr'east conference in Paris earlier this year. The contents of that presentation (bare bones, a dump of the files involved) are here: http://dneary.free.fr/gimp/ Thank you. I actually speak French, so I'll jeter un coup d'oeil, and see what I can re-use. A good GIMP presentation should probably talk a little bit about the project history (5-10 mins), followed by a simple demonstration with every step explained (about 30 mins) followed by a QA session for about 10 minutes. If I had it to re-do, that's what I'd do. I'm planning on doing a little red-eye removal demo, plus how to lighten a dark photo, finishing off with an advanced demo like making flames (which I am trying to learn now). This is great! We really should be keeping track not only of presentation materials that people put together for presentations, but also people who do presentations in case someone wants to give them junkets ;) Sign me up ;-) I'm trying to find time to relaunch my whole web presence, as a practical GNU-Linux Business/User-oriented site. Of course GIMP will be featured as a primary example of the power of logiciel libre. You might want to look at Simon Budig, tigert and jimmac's GIMP stuff. Simon has several presentations/talks online, and both jimmac and tigert have tutorials which are very good for a presentation of the GIMP. Merci. Not sure if I've seen Simon's stuff, but I recognize both tigert and jimmac. Greg Rundlett 'freephile' www.freephile.com/tiki ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp presentation at UNH
I'm giving a presentation to the Seacoast Linux User Group (SLUG chapter) of the Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group (GNHLUG) at University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH on June 14th at 7PM (more detail may be added to http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/OurChapters). The presentation is a repeat of an introduction to GIMP 2.0 talk I gave to the MELBA chapter a month ago. Is there anyone on this list who is a) an experienced GIMP 2 user b) an experienced GIMP 2 developer c) GIMP 2 advocate d) any or all of the above who would like to collaborate with me on making a great presentation? Maybe you've made a presentation and have some materials to share. I've already put together a full outline for my previous presentation, and would be glad to share it as I get it published to my website. Thanks, Greg Rundlett -- FREePHILE We are 'Open' for Business Free and Open Source Software http://www.freephile.com (978) 270-2425 Our little systems have their day; They have their day and cease to be; They are but broken lights of thee. -- Tennyson ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Installing on FedoraCore 1
I have not been able to install the GIMP 2.0.1 via RPM (nor source) on Fedora Core 1 Note: GIMP 1.2.5 is already installed on a FC1 Workstation. I keep getting hung up on unmet dependencies which I can't find through rpmfind.net. In my latest attempt, I did a fresh workstation install of FC1 from verified media CD-ROM ISOs. I then updated ALL applications through up2date. Next I tried to install gimp-2.0.1-1.i386.rpm Among the failed depencies was 'libgimp-1.2.so.0' which is not available as an independent package, but which I think is part of the GIMP-DEVEL package. I could be mistaken here, perhaps the .so file should be found with any existing GIMP install? So, I installed the gimp-devel-1.2.5-1.i386.rpm Then I tried to install gimp-2.0.1-1.i386.rpm again. I'm still getting: libgimp-1.2.so.0 (required by xsane-gimp .91, 1) libgimp-1.2.so.0 (required by gimp-print-plugin 4.2.6, 4) libgimpui-1.2.so.0 (required by xsane-gimp .91, 1) libgimpui-1.2.so.0 (required by gimp-print-plugin 4.2.6, 4) gimp (required by gimp-devel 1.2.5, 1) So now it's not finding the existing install of GIMP? Where does libgimp-1.2.so.0 come from? Where does libgimpui-1.2.so.0 come from? -- stumped Greg ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
