Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 15:51 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should perhaps have mentioned that there's also Open Location in the toolbox which offers an entry to paste URLs or filenames to. Ah - I would have if I'd thought of it :) While we are on it. The HIG suggests to use Ctrl-L as the default keybinding for File-Open Location. I would like to follow this suggestion but we already use Ctrl-L to bring up the Layers dialog. Since that's a longstanding keybinding I am somewhat reluctant to changing it. On the other hand it would be good to follow the HIG advice here in order to be more consistent with other apps and also in order to get people used to the otherwise hidden Ctrl-L feature in the File Open dialog. So what do our users think about this? What would be a good alternative keybinding for the Layers dialog? Does it need one at all? I favour Ctrl+L for open location. I don't have the layer dock obscured most of the time and use it extensively to be hiding it, therefore wasn't using the shortcut for focusing layer's dock at all. On the other hand the Ctrl+L shortcut is fairly rock solid in my brain because of the web browsers I've used in the past. Ctrl+L is an adept to being a common shortcut such as Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, its role in the new file dialogs is also fairly high. my 2 cents -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Apologies for the late reply, I hope these comments are still relevant. The gimp already makes some alterations to the the File Chooser, how about altering it further to include a Location text entry box by default again and avoid the issue of the clashing Ctrl+L keybinding entirely? I believe Inkscape has already do so. It also is a remote possibility (but a possiblity nonetheless) that the default might be changed to include a Location text entry again, if the gimp developers were to add their opinion it might be more likely to happen. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136541 Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The gimp already makes some alterations to the the File Chooser, how about altering it further to include a Location text entry box by default again and avoid the issue of the clashing Ctrl+L keybinding entirely? No. I believe Inkscape has already do so. Yes, I saw that terrible hack. No thanks. It also is a remote possibility (but a possiblity nonetheless) that the default might be changed to include a Location text entry again, if the gimp developers were to add their opinion it might be more likely to happen. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136541 Yes, please. Go and add your opinion there. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Hi, Quoting Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IMHO, the world is not a single suit of applications. Doesn't matter what HIG or HIK will say. snip On the other hand, ctrl + L to open the layers dialog is extensively documented, as Simon puts it. If the GIMP would be a Gnome-core application, I'd say it would be worth the effort. Let's not make this into a GNOME vs GIMP thing. The HIG is a set of Human Interface *Guidelines* which list a set of usability principles and some of their implications. No-one is saying it is a bible. As nomis pointed out, it is not clear that the HIG applies in this case at all. We have a great relationship with GNOME, they give us stuff (infrastucture, mainly) and ask for nothing in return. They handle our money, and ask below the going rate for administration of it. And last, but not least, we share a bunch of history, libraries and philosophy. While the GIMP isn't part of the GNOME Desktop Platform, in many ways we're a good citizen in GNOME World. Actually, if it is for ease of use at all, in a parallell popular suite of Free Software Applications, openning a location, doesn't have a different interface of openning a file. That's exactly the case with the file chooser. In fact, with gnome-vfs behind it, you get lots more for free too - ftp, sftp, smb and nfs shares are transparently available. Now...if someone will ask me what I find easier: having an open menu entry were I can click on folders and files, or type a filename or URL, _or_ having two open options on the menus, one were I cannot write a filename, but if I press a key combination which what happens to be the shortcut for the other open option I would not think much to answer this one. This is another conversation :) As they say in the House of Commons, I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: While we are on it. The HIG suggests to use Ctrl-L as the default keybinding for File-Open Location. I would like to follow this suggestion but we already use Ctrl-L to bring up the Layers dialog. Since that's a longstanding keybinding I am somewhat reluctant to changing it. On the other hand it would be good to follow the HIG advice here in order to be more consistent with other apps and also in order to get people used to the otherwise hidden Ctrl-L feature in the File Open dialog. I frequently use CTRL-L to bring the layers tab to the front, it is a handy shortcut. Compared to this I rarely use Open Location and for me assigning CTRL-L to it would IMHO be a pity. I guess that Open... is by far more frequently used and CTRL-O for this is well established. My vote goes for keeping CTRL-L for the layers dialog, especially when considering the about 1000 hits for ctrl l layers dialog gimp on google. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Hi, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I frequently use CTRL-L to bring the layers tab to the front, it is a handy shortcut. Of course it is a very useful shortcut and I use it a lot myself. However if we want to try to coexist peacefully with other applications, it would make sense to respect the fact that Ctrl-L is a standard keybinding that should be bound to Open Location in all applications. The question is thus if we can find a different keybinding for the Layers dialog. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
On 20 Sep 2004 16:07:40 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Simon Budig writes: I frequently use CTRL-L to bring the layers tab to the front, it is a handy shortcut. Of course it is a very useful shortcut and I use it a lot myself. However if we want to try to coexist peacefully with other applications, it would make sense to respect the fact that Ctrl-L is a standard keybinding that should be bound to Open Location in all applications. The question is thus if we can find a different keybinding for the Layers dialog. If ctrl-l would open location instead of the layers, the first thing I would try would be ctrl-L (shift-l) for the layers. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Hi, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, rarely use keybindings. That being said, I can see the need to 'coexist,' but I really have a hard time understanding 'Open Location.' It sounds like I'm trying to open a web page. Personally, I open files. It is exactly for that purpose, to open a remote URL. It allows you to enter for example http://gimp.org/images/wilber_the_gimp2.png; and have GIMP (or rather the wget plug-in) download the image for you. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, rarely use keybindings. That being said, I can see the need to 'coexist,' but I really have a hard time understanding 'Open Location.' It sounds like I'm trying to open a web page. Personally, I open files. It is exactly for that purpose, to open a remote URL. It allows you to enter for example http://gimp.org/images/wilber_the_gimp2.png; and have GIMP (or rather the wget plug-in) download the image for you. Well, don't I feel stupid. :) Thanks for turning the light on in my darkness.. -- Until later, Geoffrey Registered Linux User #108567 ATT Certified UNIX System Programmer - 1995 ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] keybinding for File-Open Location [was: Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker]
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should perhaps have mentioned that there's also Open Location in the toolbox which offers an entry to paste URLs or filenames to. Ah - I would have if I'd thought of it :) While we are on it. The HIG suggests to use Ctrl-L as the default keybinding for File-Open Location. I would like to follow this suggestion but we already use Ctrl-L to bring up the Layers dialog. Since that's a longstanding keybinding I am somewhat reluctant to changing it. On the other hand it would be good to follow the HIG advice here in order to be more consistent with other apps and also in order to get people used to the otherwise hidden Ctrl-L feature in the File Open dialog. So what do our users think about this? What would be a good alternative keybinding for the Layers dialog? Does it need one at all? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
